Solving for Position with Zero Initial Velocity

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The discussion revolves around proving that the equations for velocity and position of an object dropped from rest align with the classical physics results in a vacuum. The first part confirms that the velocity equation (2.33) agrees with Vy = gt when air resistance is negligible. In the second part, the user attempts to derive the position equation (2.35) but mistakenly concludes that the position is always zero. The error is identified as neglecting higher-order terms in the Taylor expansion, which are necessary for obtaining the correct result of y = 1/2 gt^2. The conversation emphasizes the importance of including all relevant terms in mathematical approximations.
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Homework Statement



Equation (2.33) gives the velocity of an object dropped from rest. At first, when Vy is small, air resistance should be unimportant and (2.33) should agree with the elementary result Vy = gt for free fall in a vacuum. Prove that this is the case. (b) The position of the dropped object is given by (2.35) with V0y = 0. Show similarly that this reduces to the familiar y = 1/2 gt^2

Homework Equations



equation (2.33) v_y(t) = v_{ter}(1-e^{-t/\tau})

equation (2.35) y(t) = v_{ter}t + (v_{0y} - v_{ter}) \tau (1 - e^{-t/\tau})

The Attempt at a Solution



I was able to solve part a. Here is my attempt at finding a solution to part b:

y(t) = v_{term}t - \v_{term} \tau [1 - (1 - \frac{t}{\tau})] I used the first two terms of the taylor seiries to approximate the exponential function.

Through simplification I get:

y(t) = v_{term}t - v_{term} \tau (\frac{t}{\tau}), which is clearly going to be zero--but that does not make sense, for it implies that the position is always zero for all time.

What did I do wrong?
 
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You are neglecting terms in t-squared and higher. Since the answer is like t squared it is inevitable you will get 0. You need to take further terms in the Taylor expansion.
 
Oh, thank you.
 
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