Solving for Velocity and Height in an Elastic Collision with an Angle

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two balls of different masses, where one ball is released from a height at an angle. Participants are tasked with finding the velocity of the lighter ball before impact, the velocities of both balls after the collision, and the maximum height of each ball post-collision.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how to incorporate the angle of release into their calculations, with some questioning the relevance of potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of the problem. There is a focus on understanding the relationship between height, angle, and velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on using conservation of energy principles to relate potential energy to kinetic energy. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express height in terms of the angle and string length, but no consensus has been reached on the specific formulas to use.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the length of the string as 30 cm, which may be relevant for calculating height. There is uncertainty regarding the correct equations to apply, particularly with respect to the angle and the implications of the prime notation in the equations presented.

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Two balls of masses Ma=40g and Mb=60g are suspended as shown in the picture in your text. The lighter ball is pulled away to a 60 degree angle with the vertical and released.
a) What is the velocity of the lighter ball before imapct?
b) What is the veloctity of each ball after the elastic collision?
c) What will be the maximum height of each ball after the elastic collision.


Relevant equations
Im not sure how to incorporate the angle into the equations i know.
I have the equations MaVa=MaV'aCosThetaa' + MbV'bCosThetab'


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I have not attempted to solve this the prime in the equation is throwing me off. Also I could easily solve this problem without the angle so I do not know how to incorporate this into the equations I know.
 
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I don't understand your equation. In any case, forget about the equation for now and think about how you would find the velocity of the lighter ball.
 
Well wouldn't you need to find the angle and include the acceleration of gravity
 
You've been given the angle. If an object is raised above the ground, what can you say about the energy it has at that point? How would you find it? Yes, acceleration due to gravity will be in there.
 
the PE is the only energy it has before released correct. I don't know how this will help me find velocity. I am really looking for the correct formula to use here.
 
Think convservation of energy. If it returns to the original height what can you then say about the kinetic energy it has at the point just before it hits the other ball? What's the formula for kinetic energy?

This is getting you the formula you need. Sometimes you need to work them out yourself. Where you given the length of the string in your question/diagram?
 
yes the string is 30cm
 
the only formula for KE is KEa+KEb = KE'a + KE'b is this correct
 
Yes that will probably be useful later, but that is not what I'm talking about for finding the initial velocity of the lighter ball. If it is raised with respect to its original position, it will have a potential energy of mgh, right? So when it is released it will come back down and all of that potential energy must be conserved and become kinetic energy (so 0.5*m*v^2). So, you must find a way to express h in terms of your angle and length of string. Then you can find v from equating your potential and kinetic energy terms.
 

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