Solving PDEs: Finding the Solution to Temperature Plates Touching After 10min

[Larsson]

there's something about these PDE:s that I don't understand, can't find out how it really works. Here comes a problem that we can discuss.

2 equal 0.2m think iron plates got the temperatures 100 and 0 degree C from the beginning. At the time t = 0 are these 2 plates laid next to each other. Calculate the temperature where the plates touch after 10min (a_iron = 1.5*10^-5 m^2/s)

the hints in the book says:

du/dt - a d^2u/dx^2 = 0
u(0,t) = u(0.4,t) = 0
u(x,0) = 100 0<x<0.2
u(x,0) = 0 0.2<x<0.4

that sounds fair to me, but then they continue with, " Hopfully we reckognice the room-operator and know which eigenfunctions we have. If so we can directly try with a sinus serie and get the solution

u(x,t) = 200/pi sum( (1-cos(k*pi/2))/k * exp( -ak^2pi^2*t/0.16) * sin(k*pi*x/0.4)"

how do we get this?

I mean, with the Stum Liouville operator we write it as A = -d^2/dt^2 so we get

du/dt + aAu = 0
and A*fi_k = lamda_k * fi_k
where we assume that the solution looks like u(x,t)= sum(u_k(t)*fi_k(x))
and that u_k(t) = (fi_k|s)/(fi_k|fi_k) * exp(-a*lamda_k*t)

(|) is the scalar product and s is u(x,0).

when I calculate fi_k I get fi_k = sin(alfa_k*x) where alfa_k = k*pi/0.4
and lamda_k = alfa_k^2

but how do I get u_k(t). with the methos I know it depends on u(x,0). And here I got 2 values for that. I probably could write u(x,0) with heaviside, but I have no ide on how to take the scalar product then, so I choose not to :)

 

[HallsofIvy]

"Room operator"? I wonder if that isn't a mis-translation of something like "space-operator", i.e the derivative with respect to the space variable x?

In any case, you could approach this by "separation of variables"- look for a function of the form u(x,t)= A(x)B(t). Then u_xx= A"B and u_t= AB' so the equation becomes AB'- aA"B= 0. Write that as AB'= aA"B and divide both sides by AB: B'/B= aA"/A.
Now, what can k be? If k= 0, then A"= 0 which has general solution A(x)= Cx+ D. The only way that could be 0 at two different points is if C= 0 and D= 0 which gives A(x)= 0 for all x (the "trivial" solution).
If k<0, write k= u² with u a positive number. The equation is aA"= -u²x and the general solution is A(x)= Ce^ux/a+ De^-ux/a. Now A(x)= C+ D= 0 and A(0.4)= Ce^0.4u/a+ De^-0.4u/a= 0. From C+ D= 0, we get D= -C. Putting that into Ce^0.4u/a+ De^-0.4u/a= 0 and factoring out the C gives C(e^0.4u/a- e^-0.4/a)= 0. But e^0.4u/a is greater than 1 while e^-0.4/a is less than 1 so the quantity in parentheses can't be 0: We must haved C= 0 and then D= 0. Again, we have only the "trivial" solution A(x)= 0.

If k< 0, write k= -u² so the equation is aA"= -u².
The general solution to that is A(x)= C cos(ux/a)+ D sin(ux/a). A(0)= C= 0 and A(0.4)= D sin(.4u/a)= 0. In order that D NOT be 0 (so we get a non-trivial solution) we must have .4u/a equal to a multiple of \pi: that is, u= \frac{na\pi}{0.4}.

We say that k= \left(\frac{na\pi}{0.4}\right)^2 is an eigenvalue of the problem and sin(\frac{na\pix}{0.4}t is an eigenvector or eigenfunction of the problem.

Once we know that k must be of the form \left(\frac{na\pi}{0.4}\right)^2, the equation for B(t) must be B&#039;(t)= \left(\frac{na\pi}{0.4}\right)^2B[/itex] and has solutions<br /> B(t)= e^{\left(\frac{na\pi}{0.4}\right)^2t}[/itex] .&lt;br /&gt; Putting those together, &lt;br /&gt; u(x,t)= Ce^{\left(\frac{na\pi}{0.4}\right)^2t}sin(\frac{na\pix}{0.4} is a solution and the general solution is a sum of things like that.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; What they mean when they say &amp;quot;Hopfully we recognise the space-operator and know which eigenfunctions we have. If so we can directly try with a sine series&amp;quot; (I have corrected the English. That&amp;#039;s not a criticism of you- you should see my (put the language of your choice here)!) is that when we see y&amp;quot; we immediately think of the eigenvector equation y&amp;quot;= ky and don&amp;#039;t have to repeat what I just did above- we know what that the eigenvalues are what I gave and the eigenvector is a sine function.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote data-attributes=&quot;&quot; data-quote=&quot;&quot; data-source=&quot;&quot; class=&quot;bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-content&quot;&gt; &lt;div class=&quot;bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent &quot;&gt; I mean, with the Stum Liouville operator we write it as A = -d^2/dt^2 so we get&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; du/dt + aAu = 0&lt;br /&gt; and A*fi_k = lamda_k * fi_k&lt;br /&gt; where we assume that the solution looks like u(x,t)= sum(u_k(t)*fi_k(x))&lt;br /&gt; and that u_k(t) = (fi_k|s)/(fi_k|fi_k) * exp(-a*lamda_k*t) &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/div&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt; No, exponentials are one-to-one functions and cannot be 0 at two different values of x. As I showed above, lambda_k must be negative and the solutions are sine and cosine functions.

 

[Larsson]

Hmm, You probably mean k>0 when you write k= u^2. (or maby you mean k>0 at the third case, but I figured this was more likely)

Where do you get aA"= -u^2x from then? from my point of view I would say it should be aA"/A = u^2, where do you get the x and - from? And why does the /A dissapear? I would say I get a D.E that looks like aA'' - Au^2=0.

And I get kind of nervous when you don't like the method I tought were correct, with Sturm Liouville and calculating scalar products. Is that totaly wrong? Separation of variables were last weeks method, this week we use SL :) I mean with my method I got sin(k*pi*x/0.4) and that looks kind of close to what you got.

 

[HallsofIvy]

Hmm, You probably mean k>0 when you write k= u^2. (or maby you mean k>0 at the third case, but I figured this was more likely)

I'm more used to A"+ kA= 0 than A"= kA so, yes, I'm sure I got + and - confused.

Where do you get aA"= -u^2x from then? from my point of view I would say it should be aA"/A = u^2, where do you get the x and - from? And why does the /A dissapear? I would say I get a D.E that looks like aA'' - Au^2=0.

That was a typo. aA"/A= u^2 is the same as aA"= u^2A. (or aA"= -u^2A in the case that k is negative.

And I get kind of nervous when you don't like the method I tought were correct, with Sturm Liouville and calculating scalar products. Is that totaly wrong? Separation of variables were last weeks method, this week we use SL :) I mean with my method I got sin(k*pi*x/0.4) and that looks kind of close to what you got.

Sturm-Liouville problems include the boundary conditions- you didn't do that here at the point I was criticizing. You were writing the solutions in terms of exponentials and my point was that exponentials can't make the function equal to 0 at the endpoints. Other than the fact that you are using k where I was using n (and the "minor" detail that I left out the x!)
your solution sin(k*pi*x/0.4) is exactly what I had.