Solving Schrodinger Equation: xav, (x2)av, Δx

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The discussion revolves around using the ground-state wave function of the simple harmonic oscillator to calculate the average position \(x_{av}\), the average of the square of the position \((x^2)_{av}\), and the uncertainty \(\Delta x\). The original poster references a normalization constant and attempts to apply the wave function to derive these quantities.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate \(x_{av}\) and \((x^2)_{av}\) using integrals involving the wave function, but expresses uncertainty about the results. Some participants question the validity of the wave function used, suggesting it is not the correct ground state for the harmonic oscillator. Others provide alternative forms of the wave function and discuss the implications of normalization.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions made about the wave function. There is no consensus on the correct form of the wave function, and multiple interpretations are being explored. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proper wave function for the ground state, but clarity on the calculations remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of using the correct wave function for normalization and the implications of using an incorrect form. There are references to the need for the wave function to be normalizable over infinite space, which is a critical aspect of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Use the ground-state wave function of the simple harmonic oscillator to find xav, (x2)av, and \Delta x. Use the normalization constant A=(\frac{m\omega _0}{\overline{h} \pi })^{1/4}

Homework Equations


\psi (x) = Asin(kx)
(f(x))_{av} = \int ^{\infty }_{-\infty } \left| \psi (x) \right| ^2 f(x) dx

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated out x_{av} as
x_{av} = \int ^{\infty }_{-\infty } \left| \psi (x) \right| ^2 x dx
x_{av} = A \int ^{\infty }_{-\infty } xsin^2 (kx) dx
x_{av} = A (x^2/4 - (cos(2kx))/(8k^2) - (xsin(2kx))/(4k))\right| ^{\infty}_{-\infty}
x_{av} = 0

I think that is right...but I am having trouble calculating (x^2)_{av}
(x^2)_{av} = \int ^{\infty }_{-\infty } \left| \psi (x) \right| ^2 x^2 dx
(x^2)_{av} = A \int ^{\infty }_{-\infty } x^2 sin^2 (kx) dx
(x^2)_{av} = A (x^3/6 - (xcos(2kx))/(4k^2) - ((-1+2k^2x^2)sin(2kx))/(8k^2))\right| ^{\infty}_{-\infty}
But this says (x^2)_{av} = \infty

which I don't think is correct...
 
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Wrong wave function; that's not the ground state of a harmonic oscillator.

Also, cos(kx) as x\rightarrow \pm \infty is undefined; so a plane wave wave function isn't normalizable over infinite space. That's an important result too, though.
 
alxm said:
Wrong wave function; that's not the ground state of a harmonic oscillator.

Also, cos(kx) as x\rightarrow \pm \infty is undefined; so a plane wave wave function isn't normalizable over infinite space. That's an important result too, though.

Is this this correct ground state?
\psi (x) = (\frac{m\omega }{\pi \overline{h}})^{1/4}e^{\frac{-m\omega}{2\overline{h}}x}
 
That is not the wave function for the ground state, you should use the hermite polynomials.
 
Dorilian said:
That is not the wave function for the ground state, you should use the hermite polynomials.

The first Hermite polynomial equals 1. So yes, it's correct.
 
CornMuffin said:
Is this this correct ground state?
\psi (x) = (\frac{m\omega }{\pi \overline{h}})^{1/4}e^{\frac{-m\omega}{2\overline{h}}x}

You forgot a square in the argument of the exponential, it's \exp(-m\omega/(2 \hbar) x^2).
(and for the LaTeX: it's \hbar, not \overline h)
 

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