Solving Second Order Diffy Q: Find k & Verify Solutions

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation involving the function y = cos(kt) and seeks to determine the values of k for which this function satisfies the equation 4y'' = -25y. Additionally, participants are exploring the verification of a family of functions y = Asinkt + Bcos(kt) as solutions for those values of k.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss finding the second derivative of y = cos(kt) and substituting it into the differential equation. There is mention of deriving a quadratic equation in k and solving it. Some express uncertainty about the generalization of the problem and the roles of constants A and B in the family of solutions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to derive conditions for k and explore the implications of those values on the general solution. Some participants have provided insights into the process of finding independent solutions and the general solution structure for second-order ODEs, while others are still grappling with the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of familiarity with second-order differential equations compared to first-order ones, indicating a learning curve in understanding the problem's requirements and the associated mathematical framework.

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Hi,
I think this is called second order.So I'm working on a problem I haven't had lecture yet. I'm trying to understand.
Oh wait here is problem. Someone can help me understand this sort of problem in general.
For what values of k does the function y = coskt satisfy the diffy Q 4y'' = -25y?
a.) For those values of k, verify that every member of the family of functions y = Asinkt + Bcoskt is also a solution.


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So, Here is all I know. Which isn't much. I'm used to just doing the first order? The ones that you just mess with then integrate and wahla. So how exactly do I do this and how do I generalize it. Because the book said every second order of ( they give a form) can be represented this way.

Thanks,
 
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So far I found the second derivavite of y = cos(kt) which is -k^2(cos(kt)) I then put this back into my equation

4(-k^2(cos(kt)) = -25cos(kt) Not sure why I did that but I did.
 
Just drop in "cos kt" into the ODE and see what conditions have to be true ... in this case you will get a quadratic in k; solve the quadratic for k.
 
Right ... now divide thru by cos(kt) leaving -4k^2 = -25 which is a very simple quadratic equation:
k = +/- 5/2.
 
OK followed. So for
a.) For those values of k, verify that every member of the family of functions y = Asinkt + Bcoskt is also a solution.

I would maybe just put in my k values. What is A and B just constants? So will I want to solve for. I really have 0 concept of what is going on here lol.
 
If k=+5/2 is a solution (test it!), and k=-5/2 is a solution (test it!), then you have two solutions:
cos(5/2t) and cos(-5/2t). You should also check for sin(5/2t), sin(-5/2t).

but if u is a solution, and v is a solution, then so is Au + Bv ... 2nd order ODE has two independent solutions, and their sum (multiplied by arbitrary constants A,B) is the general solution for the homogeneous case.

So the general process for an ODE of order n is to find n independent solutions, then multiply each by an arbitrary constant, and sum them all up ... that is the general solution ... you can then apply the boundary conditions provided which will determine the values of A,B, ... for that case.

There is actually a theory which describes all of this which you will study if you take an advanced course in differential equations - but in the introduction the goal is to learn how to solve them.
 

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