Some elements react with certain elements better than others ?

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The discussion centers on the nature of the bond in hydrogen chloride (HCl) and the differences between covalent and ionic bonding. It is clarified that HCl is primarily a covalent molecule, with both hydrogen and chlorine achieving full valence shells through the sharing of electrons, rather than forming an ionic bond as seen in sodium chloride (NaCl). The energy dynamics of the reaction between chlorine and hydrogen are highlighted, with a significant release of energy (Delta G of -262 kJ) indicating a favorable reaction. The stability of hydrogen cations (H+) in solution is also addressed, noting that they typically associate with water to form hydronium ions (H3O+). The discussion emphasizes that while elements may react favorably when they can achieve full valence shells, this does not necessarily dictate the stability or formation of bonds in all cases. The conversation concludes that systems with open shells tend to react to form more complex compounds, rather than indicating instability in existing bonds.
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Because let's say we have Hydrogen and Chlorine, they with both react very well with each other due to the reason that Hydrogen wants to get rid of its only Valence electron, to have an empty shell, and Cl needs only one more to have a full shell. Right?
 
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No.

HCl molecule is mostly covalent, and in HCl molecule they have both full valence shells. So in this case these full valance shells are the force behind.

Your explanation would work for ionic NaCl.
 
It's more like the amount of energy released from having chlorine take the electron is greater that the amount of energy lost by having hydrogen lose it. If you use a table of standard reduction potentials, you'll find that the reaction
Cl2 + H2 --> 2H+ + 2Cl-
has a Delta G value of -262 kJ, which means 262 kJ of energy is released for each mole of Cl2 which reacts.

Of course H+-cations are not stable in solution and would bind, for example to a water molecule, to form H3O+.
 
Borek said:
No.

HCl molecule is mostly covalent, and in HCl molecule they have both full valence shells. So in this case these full valance shells are the force behind.

Your explanation would work for ionic NaCl.

H gave its one electron to Cl which only needed one, now they are both ions, how is this not an ionic bond?
 
espen180 said:
It's more like the amount of energy released from having chlorine take the electron is greater that the amount of energy lost by having hydrogen lose it. If you use a table of standard reduction potentials, you'll find that the reaction
Cl2 + H2 --> 2H+ + 2Cl-
has a Delta G value of -262 kJ, which means 262 kJ of energy is released for each mole of Cl2 which reacts.

Of course H+-cations are not stable in solution and would bind, for example to a water molecule, to form H3O+.
A single H+ proton is considered an atom of H?
 
LogicalAcid said:
H gave its one electron to Cl which only needed one, now they are both ions, how is this not an ionic bond?

No, as long as HCl is not dissociated in water they share two electrons. HCl is not a good example here, as it doesn't follow the obvious trends.
 
LogicalAcid said:
A single H+ proton is considered an atom of H?

No, it is not an ATOM, it is an ion (cation to be precise). But yes, single proton is considered to be a hydrogen cation.
 
Borek said:
No, it is not an ATOM, it is an ion (cation to be precise). But yes, single proton is considered to be a hydrogen cation.

OK I understand, HCl is covalently bonded when not disassociated in water, but back to the question. If two elements have the exact amount of electrons one needs to lose or gain to have a full shell, they react better than ones that don't have the exact amount of electrons for both of them to have a full shell?
 
LogicalAcid said:
OK I understand, HCl is covalently bonded when not disassociated in water, but back to the question. If two elements have the exact amount of electrons one needs to lose or gain to have a full shell, they react better than ones that don't have the exact amount of electrons for both of them to have a full shell?

No, the fact that you seldomly observe a system with open shells is not that the bonds in it are less stable (or "do not form so well in a reaction" to use your diction) but that it usually will react to form even more complex compounds.
 
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