Something that should be extremely simple - Blackbody Curve

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of plotting the blackbody radiation curve at 2000K using the Planck Radiation Formula. Participants are exploring issues related to the mathematical representation and graphical output of the curve, focusing on the correct application of the formula and the plotting process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their struggle to plot the blackbody curve, noting that their output resembles an exponential decay function rather than the expected curve.
  • Another participant questions the initial formulation, specifically the presence of the \(\lambda^5\) term, suggesting it should be \(\lambda^3\).
  • A participant suggests that the plotting issue may stem from mishandling the software or the scaling of the axes, recommending adjustments to the axis scales.
  • Another participant claims that the equation is correct and implies that the issue lies in the plotting method, encouraging the original poster to check their input and settings in the software.
  • One participant reports success in plotting the curve, indicating that the original poster may be making errors in their approach.
  • Another participant advises checking the expression for proper syntax and ensuring the range of values for \(\lambda\) is appropriate for the software being used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the source of the plotting issue. While some assert the equation is correct, others suggest potential errors in the plotting process or software usage. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific cause of the original poster's difficulties.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the correct interpretation of the formula and the proper setup for plotting, including the handling of units and the choice of axis variables.

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Hello!

I am having an issue with something that should be extremely simple. Essentially, all I am trying to do is plot the blackbody curve at 2000K in terms of the wavelength. The formula I am using can be seen here.. (Don't feel like typing it)

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mod6.html

In the "Planck Radiation Formula" section, second box. Every time I try to plot it, it ends up looking like a normal exponential decay function, except symmetrical about the y axis, NOT the blackbody curve. I got the TA in my grad lab to help and he is also stumped. After calculating the numbers, I got the formula to be..

[tex]\frac{5 \times 10^{-24}}{\lambda^5}\frac{1}{e^{\frac{0.144}{2000 \lambda}}-1}[/tex]

Can anyone shed light on this?
 
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so you used the c = lambda * v equation right, solved for v = c / lambda and plugged it into get your equation in lambda

first how did you get lambda^5 in the first factor it seems it should be lambda^3

and second did you plot using lambda or v for the x-axis?
 
jedishrfu said:
so you used the c = lambda * v equation right, solved for v = c / lambda and plugged it into get your equation in lambda

first how did you get lambda^5 in the first factor it seems it should be lambda^3

and second did you plot using lambda or v for the x-axis?

I used the equation labeled [itex]S_{\lambda}[/itex], it has a [itex]\lambda^5[/itex] term in it. I am using [itex]\lambda[/itex]for the x axis.
 
Okay this seriously is not making any sense. I keep trying to plot this thing, thinking I made some sort of error with units or something and I keep getting the same thing. What is going on?!
 
The equation is correct. You are probably mishandling the software. My guess is that the peak is squished too close to the Y-axis for you to see given the choice of coordinate scale. Play around with the axis scales and see what happens is my advice.
 
I keep scaling the axis and am not seeing anything I should be. Could someone else try plotting it and let me know how it works out?
 
Looks OK when I plot it. See attachment. You must be doing the plotting wrong.
 

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You are probably messing up typing the expression into the computer or calculator. Check your parentheses and your range of values for lambda. If you are using something like Matlab, Mathematica, or IDL, it should be pretty simple. If you still can't figure it out, post the code.
 

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