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The discussion highlights the ongoing advancements and events in the aerospace sector, including the upcoming SpaceX Dragon launch and its significance for cargo delivery to the ISS. Participants share links to various articles detailing recent missions, such as NASA's Juno spacecraft studying Jupiter's Great Red Spot and the ExoMars mission's progress. There is also a focus on the collaboration between government and private sectors in space exploration, emphasizing the potential for technological advancements. Additionally, the conversation touches on intriguing phenomena like the WorldView-2 satellite's debris event and the implications of quantum communication technology demonstrated by China's Quantum Science Satellite. Overall, the thread serves as a hub for sharing and discussing significant aerospace developments.
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9 hours and 30 minutes. Still on track for a launch.

NASA coverage will start about 4 hours before launch.
 
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  • #1,262
I just got back to this. So the flight was scrubbed?
 
  • #1,263
A valve issue. Again.
Remember June 2023? Or August 2021?

Edit: It's a valve issue on the rocket this time, not a Starliner problem.
 
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Sorry for the dumb question, but what is helium used for in the rocket? It's an inert gas, right?
 
  • #1,267
Pressurization?
 
  • #1,268
According to ChatGPT:

Helium serves several important purposes in rockets:
  1. Pressurization: Helium is commonly used to pressurize the propellant tanks in rockets. As the rocket burns fuel and the propellant tanks empty, helium is injected into the tanks to maintain the necessary pressure for propellant flow.
  2. Purging: Helium is also used to purge and inert the fuel and oxidizer lines in rockets, preventing the formation of potentially explosive mixtures of fuel and oxidizer gases.
  3. Cooling: In some rocket systems, helium is used as a coolant for various components, such as the engine nozzles, to prevent overheating during operation.
  4. Gas generators: Helium is sometimes employed in gas generators, which provide the energy needed to drive turbopumps that feed fuel and oxidizer into the rocket's combustion chamber.
Overall, helium plays a crucial role in ensuring the safe and efficient operation of rocket propulsion systems.
 
  • #1,269
Ah, pressurizing the propellant tanks and purging the fuel lines makes sense. Thanks guys. :smile:
 
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Borg said:
According to ChatGPT:
I’ve never heard of helium being used to drive turbines or cool nozzles. You’re leaving performance on the table that way, and helium isn’t a very good coolant compared to your fuel, whether it be hydrogen, methane, kerosene, or hydrazine derivatives.
 
  • #1,271
Agreed, but...
We are arguing with a computer (ChatGPT), we will not be allowed to win!

"join us and live in peace, or pursue your present course and face obliteration." :eek:
(from: The Day The Earth Stood Still")

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  • #1,272
No earlier than May 25 for Starliner, they are still working on the helium leak.
The ISS schedule is free until early June at least or maybe even early July, if it gets delayed beyond that then ISS scheduling could shift the launch further.

A Falcon 9 booster has flown for the 21st time, going beyond the previous limit of 20 launches.

Portugal and Spain had an extremely bright fireball. Some clips
 
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Quarterly statistics: https://brycetech.com/reports/report-documents/Bryce_Briefing_2024_Q1.pdf

In the first quarter of 2024, SpaceX launched 429 tonnes, or 87% of the global mass to orbit.
Its main competitor, ULA, launched 1.3 tonnes.
Everyone else combined launched ~65 tonnes (China 31, Russia 24, Japan 5, India 3)


Edit: Starliner is delayed, no longer targeting May 25, no new (public) launch date yet.

Edit2: Starliner is now scheduled to launch no earlier than June 1.
 
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Will Starliner ever get off the ground? Seven years and holding.
 
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gleem said:
Will Starliner ever get off the ground? Seven years and holding.
Yes, if for no other reason than to finish the contract to prove it out. After that? Probably not. Too expensive to launch it compared to Dragon.
 
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Looks like they figured out the reason for the automated Hold near the end of the weekend launch countdown, and will try again on Wednesday.

BTW, TIL that the tall towers surrounding the launch vehicle are for lightning protection. I've been wondering what they were for... :smile:

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CNN —

The latest attempt at an inaugural crewed launch of Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft is on track for Wednesday after a computer issue halted the countdown just moments before liftoff on Saturday.

The historic mission, called the Crew Flight Test, is set to launch at 10:52 a.m. ET from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The event will stream live on NASA’s website, with coverage beginning at 6:45 a.m. ET.

United Launch Alliance technicians and engineers assessed the ground support equipment over the weekend, examining three large computers housed inside a shelter at the base of the launchpad. Each computer is the same, providing triple redundancy to ensure the safe launch of crewed missions.

“Imagine a large rack that is a big computer where the functions of the computer as a controller are broken up separately into individual cards or printed wire circuit boards,” said Tory Bruno, president and CEO of United Launch Alliance, during a Saturday news conference. “They’re all stand-alone, but together, it’s an integrated controller.”

The cards within the computers are responsible for different key systems that must occur before a launch, such as releasing bolts at the rocket’s base so it can lift off after ignition.

During the final four minutes before launch, all three computers must communicate and agree with one another. But during Saturday’s countdown, a card on one of the computers was six seconds slower in responding than the other two computers, indicating that something was not correct and triggering an automatic hold, according to Bruno.

Over the weekend, engineers evaluated the computers, their power supply and network communications between the computers. The team isolated the issue to a single ground power supply within one of the computers, which provides power to the computer cards responsible for key countdown events — including the replenishment valves for the rocket’s upper stage, according to an update shared by NASA.

Starliner teams reported no signs of physical damage to the computer, which they removed and replaced with a spare. Meanwhile, mission specialists continue to analyze the faulty power unit to better understand what went wrong.

The other computers and their cards were also assessed, and all of them are performing normally as expected, according to the ULA team.

The Starliner mission management team reviewed the computer replacement troubleshooting steps that were taken, and they have agreed that Starliner is “go” for launch on Wednesday, according to an update from NASA.

“I really appreciate all the work by the NASA, Boeing, and ULA teams over the last week,” said Steve Stich, manager of NASA’s Commercial Crew Program, in a statement. “In particular, the ULA team worked really hard to quickly learn more about these issues, keep our NASA and Boeing teams informed, and protect for this next attempt. We will continue to take it one step at a time.”
 
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Starliner is now NET June 5, 14:52 UTC (in 12:30). NASA coverage will start in 7 hours.

Starship is NET June 6, 12:00 UTC (in 1 day 9:40). Launch license granted
Mostly the same profile as the previous flight. No propellant transfer as that was already successful last time. No reentry burn, it's unclear why this gets skipped. The main goal is to study the reentry profile. If the ship survives reentry then it will attempt the landing flip maneuver. The booster will attempt a soft "landing" on an imaginary tower over the ocean.

Two important flights planned within 24 hours, but the two approaches couldn't be more different. Starliner will fly a crew for the first time, so everyone is extremely cautious about everything. It has been delayed multiple times and further delays are not unexpected. Meanwhile Starship flies to see what will break - it's unlikely the mission will be a full success, and that is okay.

Edit: The maiden flight of Ariane 6 is now planned for July 9.
 
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NASA coverage has started, the astronauts have arrived at the launch tower. T-3 hours
 
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It LAUNCHED!!!

Good separation from the rocket, now preparing for a short burn to circularize the orbit and then more burns to get closer to the ISS orbit.
 
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About damn time. I was beginning to worry that the joking “if it’s Boeing, it’s not going” was going to be serious.
 
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A little late but liftoff in three minutes.
 
  • #1,284
Starship reentry video was amazing - seeing the flap gradually being burnt through (and the camera being gradually destroyed by debris), yet it survived!
 
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Spectacular.
Apparently both the booster and the ship could go standstill at the end of the flight, at low altitude.
 
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Yeah, the flaps will need some more work before they can be reused. The ship still made it to a controlled splashdown.

One booster engine failed seconds after liftoff and one engine failed during the landing burn but that's well within the margins.
SpaceX confirmed that future Starships will have a lighter hot staging ring that can stay attached.

Besides the flap issue, the ship reentry looked really calm and controlled. The booster splashdown looked perfect.

SpaceX has already gotten approval to make more flights with this mission profile, assuming nothing happens that poses a risk to anyone. With an essentially flawless flight I assume this to be the case - which means the next flight can happen as soon as the hardware is ready, which might just be a month away. But SpaceX might choose to spend more time on the flaps first.
They could try to recover the booster on the next mission, but it's also possible they want to collect more data with another flight first.
 
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Starliner is about to dock with the ISS

Edit: Successful docking. They'll do some more checks before the astronauts can enter the ISS but now NASA and Boeing have a week to look into the new helium leak issues. I expect that they can return in that capsule, but in the worst case then Dragon could fly them home, too.

First time three different crewed spacecraft types are docked to the ISS.
First time two different crewed US spacecraft are in orbit at the same time.
 
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mfb said:
First time two different crewed US spacecraft are in orbit at the same time.
Didn't Gemini VI and Gemini VII, each carrying two US astronauts, rendezvous in orbit back in 1965?
 
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renormalize said:
Didn't Gemini VI and Gemini VII, each carrying two US astronauts, rendezvous in orbit back in 1965?
I think he means different designs. Dragon and Starliner
 
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Boeing Starliner’s crew is now on the space station after encountering new issues en route
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/science/boeing-starliner-new-helium-leaks-scn/index.html

Boeing’s Starliner mission has safely docked with the International Space Station and the spacecraft’s crew, NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams, have arrived aboard the station after navigating new issues that cropped up overnight and Thursday en route to the orbiting laboratory.

This is the first time astronauts have arrived at the space station from a Boeing Starliner spacecraft.

Docking occurred at 1:34 p.m. ET. Steps were taken to more firmly secure the connection between Starliner and the space station’s port, and docking was completed about 20 minutes later.
 

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