Special Relativity - Conservation of Energy/Momentum

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The discussion focuses on a physics problem involving an atom with rest mass M in an excited state of energy Q0, which emits a photon of energy Q while coming to rest. Participants clarify the conservation of energy and momentum equations, emphasizing the need to account for the rest mass of the excited atom, which includes the excitation energy. The initial energy of the atom is corrected to include its rest mass, leading to the realization that the total rest mass is M plus the additional rest mass from the excitation energy. This adjustment allows for proper application of conservation laws, ultimately leading to the correct expression for Q. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately defining rest mass in relativistic contexts.
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Homework Statement


An atom of rest mass M in an excited state of energy Q0 (measured in its rest frame) above the ground state moves towards a counter with speed v. The atom decays to its ground state by emitting a photon of energy Q (as recorded by the counter), coming completely to rest as it does so. Show that

Q=Q_0[1+\frac{Q_0}{2Mc^2}]

Homework Equations


E^2=p^2c^2 + m_0^2c^4
E = \gamma m_0c^2
\gamma = (1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})^{-\frac{1}{2}}

The Attempt at a Solution


In the lab frame, the atom is initially moving with speed v. When the photon is emitted, the atom is at rest. Hence using conservation of energy:

\gamma Q_0 = Mc^2 + Q

By conservation of momentum, the photon's momentum must equal the initial momentum of the atom. This gives:

\gamma Mv = \frac{Q}{c}

There is sufficient information here to eliminate v and γ (since γ depends on v). However, when I do so, I get nothing close to the required answer. So I guess my interpretation of the context is wrong. Please could I have a hint?
 
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Your expressions for the final energy and final momentum look correct. However, the expressions for the initial energy and initial momentum are not correct.

Think about the rest mass of the excited atom.
 
Okay, so I think that the initial energy of the atom given as Q0 does not include the rest energy? Which would mean the energy equation would become:

\gamma Q_0 + Mc^2 = Mc^2 + Q

\Rightarrow \gamma Q_0 = Q

I'm not sure why the momentum is incorrect. I am working in the lab frame, in which the atom is moving with speed v. Hence I must use

\mathbf{p_{initial}} = \gamma M\mathbf{v}

\Rightarrow p_{initial} = \gamma Mv
 
Zatman said:
Okay, so I think that the initial energy of the atom given as Q0 does not include the rest energy? Which would mean the energy equation would become:

\gamma Q_0 + Mc^2 = Mc^2 + Q

\Rightarrow \gamma Q_0 = Q

This is still not correct.

I'm not sure why the momentum is incorrect. I am working in the lab frame, in which the atom is moving with speed v. Hence I must use

\mathbf{p_{initial}} = \gamma M\mathbf{v}

\Rightarrow p_{initial} = \gamma Mv

You have the general equations ##E = \gamma m_0 c^2## and ##p=\gamma m_0 v##.

You just have to get the ##m_0## correct when the atom is excited. (How does ##Q_0## affect ##m_0##?)
 
Thanks for you replies, TSny, but I'm afraid I still cannot get it.

The rest mass of the atom in its excited state is given by

Q_0 = m_0 c^2 \Rightarrow m_0 = \frac{Q_0}{c^2}?

If so, this would change the energy equation to:

\gamma Q_0 + \frac{Q_0}{c^2}c^2 = Mc^2 + Q
\Rightarrow (\gamma + 1)Q_0 = Mc^2 + Q

and the momentum equation to:

\gamma\frac{Q_0}{c^2}v = \frac{Q}{c}
\Rightarrow\gamma Q_0v=Qc
 
Zatman said:
Thanks for you replies, TSny, but I'm afraid I still cannot get it.

The rest mass of the atom in its excited state is given by

Q_0 = m_0 c^2 \Rightarrow m_0 = \frac{Q_0}{c^2}?

##Q_0/c^2## represents the additional rest mass due to the excitation energy. This should be added to ##Mc^2## to get the total rest mass of the excited atom.

A given quantity of hot water has more rest mass than the same water when cold.
 
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I see. This gives the excited rest mass as

M+\frac{Q_0}{c^2}

Giving the conservation of energy equation:

\gamma (M+\frac{Q_0}{c^2})c^2 = Mc^2+Q

And conservation of momentum:

\gamma(M+\frac{Q_0}{c^2})v = \frac{Q}{c}

Which then solve to give the required answer. Thank you for your help!
 
Looks good.
 
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