Special theory of relativity, theoretical problem

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The problem involves two spaceships traveling at relativistic speeds and a message capsule sent between them. The focus is on understanding the concept of proper time in the context of special relativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to approach the problem and the meaning of proper time. Questions are raised regarding whether proper time is measured by an observer or by a clock moving with the object in question.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the definition of proper time and its implications in the context of the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the terminology used in special relativity, but no consensus has been reached on the application of these concepts to the problem at hand.

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Participants note a lack of understanding regarding the proper time concept and its measurement, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their ability to solve the problem.

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Homework Statement


Spaceship A, traveling past us at 0.7c, sends a message capsule to spaceship B, which is in front of A and is traveling in the same direction as A at 0.8c relative to us. The capsule travels at 0.9c relative to us. A clock that measures the proper time between the sending and receiving of the capsule travels: a) in the same direction as the spaceships at 0.7c relative to us b) in the opposite direction from the spaceships at 0.7c relative to us c) in the same direction as the spaceships at 0.8c relative to us d) in the same direction as the spaceships at 0.9c relative to us e) in the opposite direction from the spaceships at 0.9c relative to us

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The Attempt at a Solution


There's not much math involved in solving this problem, and it's all theoretical, but I think I'm missing a lot of something here. I don't even know where to begin when thinking about this question. Would the correct time simply be measured by the one that is moving at the exact same speed and direction as the capsule, but why?
 
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Kennedy said:

The Attempt at a Solution


There's not much math involved in solving this problem, and it's all theoretical, but I think I'm missing a lot of something here. I don't even know where to begin when thinking about this question. Would the correct time simply be measured by the one that is moving at the exact same speed and direction as the capsule, but why?

The key word in the question is "proper" time. What do you know about proper time?
 
PeroK said:
The key word in the question is "proper" time. What do you know about proper time?
Honestly, I don't know anything. I don't understand if it means proper time as in measured by us... I just don't understand. Is proper time measured by a clock that is said to be at rest with respect to the object?
 
Kennedy said:
Honestly, I don't know anything. I don't understand if it means proper time as in measured by us... I just don't understand. Is proper time measured by a clock that is said to be at rest with respect to the object?

Yes, that's the proper time of the capsule, which is also the spacetime distance between the events of the capsule being sent and received.
 
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Kennedy said:
I don't understand if it means proper time as in measured by us...

If an observer is involved their proper time would be called "coordinate" time as far as the experiment is concerned. "Proper" time would be the time of a particle or object involved in the experiment. That's the conventional terminology.
 
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