Speed as a ratio, but what about work done and moments?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of speed, work done, and moments in physics, focusing on the mathematical relationships between these quantities. Participants explore the rationale behind defining work done as the product of force and distance, and how similar reasoning might apply to moments.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that speed is a ratio of distance traveled per unit time and questions how work done, defined as force multiplied by distance, fits into this framework.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationships in physics are mathematical constructs that are useful, without implying any inherent mystery in their definitions.
  • Several participants express curiosity about why work done is defined as force multiplied by distance rather than force divided by distance, indicating a desire for historical or conceptual clarity on this definition.
  • There is a suggestion that moving an object over a greater distance results in more work done, which is acknowledged by others as a logical extension of the definition.
  • Participants discuss the idea that similar reasoning may apply to moments, although this connection is not fully elaborated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and seek clarification on the definitions and relationships, but there is no consensus on the historical rationale for these definitions. Multiple viewpoints on the nature of these relationships remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions or historical context behind the definitions of work done and moments, leaving these aspects open for further exploration.

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Hi all,

Speed is a ratio of the distance traveled per unit time. But what then is work done and moments?

For example, work done is force multiplied by the distance traveled in the direction of the force. But how would you explain the rationale of multiplying these two quantities?

As in, in the case of speed, the unit is m/s, which makes sense, but something like moments, with units of Nm, it looks as though it does not make much sense.
 
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There is no mystery here. These are all just useful mathematical relationships people figured out once upon a time. There's nothing special about multiplying or dividing...or squaring, for that matter... to get them.

However: Speed is a rate. An amount of something done per unit time. Any measure of an amount of something done per unit time is divided by time. Whether it's power (J/s), rotational rate (r/m or rpm), or hot dogs eaten per hour on dollar dog day (Hotdogs/h).
 
I am just wondering why work done is force x distance and not, let's say force/distance.

How did the idea of work done being force multiplied by distance come in the first place?
 
rvgene said:
I am just wondering why work done is force x distance and not, let's say force/distance.

How did the idea of work done being force multiplied by distance come in the first place?

If you move an object over twice the distance, it's twice as much work. :smile:
 
I like Serena said:
If you move an object over twice the distance, it's twice as much work. :smile:

ahh... that makes more sense now. same thing for moments right?
 
rvgene said:
ahh... that makes more sense now. same thing for moments right?

Yep! :smile:

Most of these equations (can) come about by thinking about them and considering whether the relationship will be linear or inversely linear. :wink:

Thinking about it that way will also give you an intuitive understanding that IMO is very important!
 

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