Solving Mystery of String Force: Find the Answer

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The discussion centers on calculating the string force S for a heavy particle in uniform circular motion, with the string attached to the ceiling at an angle theta. Two approaches yield different expressions for the string force: one includes gravitational effects and the sine of theta, while the textbook simplifies it to F = mlω². The textbook's formula is deemed correct as it provides a more straightforward solution, aligning with the equilibrium condition where the horizontal component of string tension equals the centripetal force. Both methods are valid, but the textbook's version is favored for its simplicity and utility. Ultimately, the discussion highlights the relationship between the two equations and confirms the textbook's approach as the more practical one.
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have a look a the diagram
heavy particle of mass m is tied to one end of a string which is of length l. The other end is attached to the ceiling. The particle forms uniform circular motion. Angular velocity of omega. String is angle theta. Ignore friction and mass of string.

Find magnitude of string force S in terms of m, l, omega
horizontal components F_{x} = F sin \theta = m \omega^2 l sin \theta
vertical components = F_{y} = F cos \theta = mg
total components F = m \sqrt{g^2 + \omega^4 l^2 sin^2 \theta)
the textbook however omits the sin theta and the g part which gives F = ml \omega^2

who is right??
 

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The book is correct:
{String Length} = L
{Horizontal Radius of Circular Orbit} = r = L*sin(θ)
{Centripetal Force} = m*v2/r =
= m*ω2*r =
= m*ω2*{L*sin(θ)} =
= m*L*ω2*sin(θ)

{String Tension} = T
{Horizontal Component of String Tension} = T*sin(θ)

At equilibrium:
{Horizontal Component of String Tension} = {Centripetal Force}
::: ⇒ T*sin(θ) = m*L*ω2*sin(θ)
::: ⇒ T= m*L*ω2


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Both answers are "correct" but the book's is the simpler and more useful one. Realize that your equation for the horizontal components (F sin \theta = m \omega^2 l sin \theta) immediately implies the book's answer.
 
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