Spinning top's moment of inertia I (disc on shaft )

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The problem involves determining the moment of inertia for a spinning top, specifically a flat, circular disc mounted on a shaft inclined at an angle to the vertical. The original poster attempts to use spherical coordinates to express the moment of inertia but expresses uncertainty about the correct representation of the coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of moment of inertia and its calculation from first principles. There are attempts to relate the moment of inertia of the disc to that of a cylinder, while questions arise regarding the description of the coordinates and the rotation of the disc on the inclined shaft.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the moment of inertia of a disc and a cylinder, but there is still uncertainty about how to accurately describe the rotation of the disc in relation to the inclined shaft.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem and express confusion about the necessary details for describing the motion of the disc. The original poster has indicated a potential overcomplication of the situation.

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Homework Statement
Finding the moment of inertia for an Spinning top
Relevant Equations
L = r x F
I hope you guys can help me with this problem..

A top in the form of a flat, circular disc spins on a shaft that is inclined at an angle alpha to the vertical.
Now I have to find the moment of inertia I for the disc about its centre on the shaft.

My attempt was building I with spherical coordinates (r= length of the shaft, phi= \omega t , theta= angle to the vertical) But I think that's just the Point the vector r is pointing to the center of the disc ? :rolleyes:

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How about you start with the definition of moment of inertia? (Assuming you need to calculate it from first principles rather than just looking it up.)
 
yeah I did it before but my problem is that I don't know how to describe the x y and z values to put them in the moment of inertia
I used the definition below for I and put in the spherical coordinates
 

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Doc Al said:
Way too complicated! The moment of inertia of a disk is the same as that for a cylinder. See: Moment of Inertia: Thin Disk
thank you !
I know that the moment of inertia of a disc is the moment of inertia as a cylinder but how do i discribe the rotation of the disc when it spins on a shaft at an angle alpha?
The shaft of the spinning top would rotate on the coat of a cone i guess...
 
lena_2509 said:
but how do i discribe the rotation of the disc when it spins on a shaft at an angle alpha?
I'm not sure how detailed you need to be. Note that in part c they just refer to the direction the top is spinning as ##\hat r##.
 
Doc Al said:
I'm not sure how detailed you need to be. Note that in part c they just refer to the direction the top is spinning as ##\hat r##.
okay thank you ! maybe I thought too complicated ... thanks a lot !
 

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