Stabilizing AC Voltage: Achieving Pure DC Output

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The discussion centers around the challenge of converting an increasing AC voltage to a pure DC output, with considerations for applications such as battery charging. Participants explore various methods and technologies related to rectification, smoothing, and the complexities involved in achieving a stable DC output from AC sources, including three-phase systems.

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  • Some participants assert that achieving pure DC from an increasing AC voltage is fundamentally impossible, as the output would still reflect the AC characteristics.
  • Others propose that while pure DC may not be achievable, methods such as rectification followed by smoothing with capacitors can yield a usable DC output.
  • One participant suggests using DC to DC converters to stabilize the output voltage after rectification, noting the complexity of the architecture depending on the input-output voltage relationship.
  • There are mentions of using zener diodes and capacitors to manage peak voltages and maintain an even average output voltage.
  • Participants question the intended use of the DC output, whether for signaling or powering devices, which influences the approach taken.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety and feasibility of charging batteries with converted AC, particularly for those with limited experience.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for more specific information regarding voltage levels, power requirements, and the nature of the AC input to provide tailored advice.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility of achieving pure DC from increasing AC voltage, with some asserting it is impossible while others suggest complex solutions may exist. There is no consensus on the best approach or the necessary conditions for success.

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Limitations include a lack of specific details about the AC voltage characteristics, power levels, and the desired output requirements, which are crucial for determining the feasibility and method of conversion.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and hobbyists exploring power electronics, battery charging systems, and the conversion of AC to DC in various applications.

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How to get pure DC from an ac whose voltage or amplitude is increasing by time until it reaches a particular fixed value and then drops to zero
 

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You can't. If the AC voltage is increasing and you wish to represent this as a DC voltage then the DC voltage will be increasing as well. This implies it is no longer a DC voltage. I would say you are after a peak detector with filtering.
 
athuljyothis said:
How to get pure DC from an AC voltage whose voltage or amplitude is increasing by time until it reaches a particular fixed value and then drops to zero

and regardless of if the AC is varying in amplitude or not ... you are pretty much never going to get pure DC from it
there will always be some ripple
 
Well, I have a problem with "you can't". Generally the answer should be "you can do that, but it is complicated"

First off, let's assume you are using said AC as a power source and want a constant voltage DC output that can supply some current. (you did not explicitly state that)

You can rectify the AC and smooth it with capacitors. That will get you to a DC that generally tracks the AC. Then, assuming the AC doesn't really go to zero, you can use DC to DC converter technology to convert the DC to a constant DC. Or, use the input to charge a battery that drives a regulator.

The DC to DC converter architecture becomes complicated if your input DC can be either higher or lower than the output DC. If the input is always lower, you need a boost architecture. If the input is always higher, you need a buck architecture. If it is both, you can use a sepic converter. (and don't ask me how they work --- they just do)

You said nothing about the relationship between the AC and the desired DC, what voltage ranges you are dealing with, and what power levels to need to supply.
 
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I guess you could use some combination of zener diodes and capacitors to smooth the peak input voltages while trying to keep the average voltage output even.
Might need a good heat sink for those diodes though.
 
athuljyothis said:
How to get pure DC from an ac whose voltage or amplitude is increasing by time until it reaches a particular fixed value and then drops to zero

You don't say what you want the "DC" to do? Are you just trying to detect the AC burst, so the "DC" is really just a signal indicating that AC is present, or are you trying to power something with it?
 
Basic rectifier and then a Buck/Boost DC to DC converter - is the simple answer, low tech - after that we need more info. When you say Pure DC, well how pure? What is the input V range and then the desired output DC?
 
Guys I am really sorry for the delayed reply... A big thanks for helping me
 
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I am trying to charge a battery by using that converted dc like a car battery
I just do want to know if this is possible or not

And one more thing what if that ac is 3 phase.
I am just up with some basic ideas for a collage project pls do help me .
 
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Battery chargers can be made to work with 3-phase AC. But it does not sound you have enough experience to do it safely. I think your best option would be to buy a battery charger designed for the AC source you have, and for the type of battery that you're charging.
 
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You said nothing regarding the power levels, voltage levels, range of AC variation, etc.

You need to specify the project before you can conclude whether it is possible, feasible, easy, hard, what approach, etc etc etc
 

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