Standard enthelpy of formation needed for EDTA metal complexes

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The discussion centers on solving chemical equilibria in a kraft mill bleach plant to predict mineral scale deposits. The user is utilizing the van't Hoff equation to account for temperature effects on formation constants but lacks enthalpy data for EDTA complexes with Na+ and K+. They have the standard enthalpy of formation for EDTA, Na+, and K+, but need values for EDTA-Na and EDTA-K to calculate the enthalpy of reaction. Another participant notes that the formation constants for EDTA-Na and EDTA-K are quite small, suggesting they may not significantly impact the system. The original poster acknowledges this and considers neglecting these ions in their calculations, indicating a potential shift in their approach based on the feedback received.
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Hi,

I am trying to solve the chemical equilibria in a kraft mill bleach plant to predict mineral scale deposits. I am using the van't Hoff equation to account for temperature dependence of the formation constants, but I need the enthalpy of reaction for all equilibria and I am missing some data.

What I am missing is data for EDTA complexes with Na+ and K+. I have the std enthalpy of formation for EDTA, Na+ and K+ but in order to get the enthalpy of reaction I also need EDTA-Na and EDTA-K.

Does anyone know where I can find these values?

Kind regards

Gollegun
 
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Formation constants for EDTANa and EDTAK are quite small from what I remember - are you sure they play any important role in the system?
 
Borek said:
Formation constants for EDTANa and EDTAK are quite small from what I remember - are you sure they play any important role in the system?

I just automatically included all the ions of significant concentration. But you are right, the formation constants of Na and K are very low in comparison to other metals such as Ca and Mg - and they can probably be neglected. I'll try this and see how it works out.

Thanks!
 
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