Homework Help: Statics, forces in each memeber of a truss

1. Apr 8, 2013

jonjacson

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

I´ll show the problem with a picture:

2. Relevant equations

Sum forces = 0 ;

3. The attempt at a solution

Well I tried to solve the forces equations at the joint D, but I see three unkown quantities ED, BD and CD, and I have two equations, one for the X axis, and one for the Y axis so I cannot solve... or that´s what I thought until I saw that the book gives numerical answers to the problem.

So, Anybody knows how to get three unkown quantities from two equations?

I´m not able to do that, and until 5 minutes ago I thought it was impossible.

2. Apr 8, 2013

barryj

Write out the relevant equations and look carefully at them. See what cancels.

3. Apr 8, 2013

jonjacson

Ok, I´ll try it:

I assume ED and BD pointing towards the right, positive sense, so DC is pointing downwards, it´s supposed that the equations will confirm if this is correct or not, so:

x axis--> -2 + ED + BD cos (45) = 0

y axis---> BD sin(45) - DC = 0

Well I could substract the second equation from the first and I would get:

-2 + DC + ED = 0, but I cannot solve yet.

Am I doing something wrong?

4. Apr 8, 2013

5. Apr 8, 2013

jonjacson

Ok.

If it helps I show the answers from the book:

AB=BE=CD= 1 KN T

AE = BD = 1,414 KN C

BC = 2 KN T, DE= 1KN C

T is tension and C compression

Maybe I should start with another joint but I don´t have any data, so it looks like a nonsense.

6. Apr 8, 2013

barryj

Now that I think about it more, you might have to write a free body diagram for more than 1 node.

7. Apr 8, 2013

barryj

Try this approach. Use torques. Using point C as a pivot the CCW torque from the 2 kn force is 2X3 = 6. Now what must the force in member AE be in order to counter the torque. Knowing AE you can find DE and the problem is solvable (I think).

8. Apr 8, 2013

jonjacson

Yes you are right.

IF you try it with the method of joints you cannot solve it with only the first joint. I don´t know if using all the joints it´s possible to get the answer.

You have to use the fbd for the whole structure and you start at A.

Thank you very much!