[Statistical Physics] Probability of finding # photons in the mode

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The discussion focuses on calculating the probabilities of finding 0 and 1 photon in a cavity containing black body radiation at 500 K, with a specific optical mode frequency. The mean number of photons is calculated using the equation <n> = 1/(exp(ħω/kT)), yielding a result of approximately 1.855. Participants clarify that photons, being bosons, can occupy the same mode in unlimited quantities, which allows for <n> to exceed 1. A corrected probability equation is shared, highlighting that the initial formulation contained errors in the signs and structure. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying statistical mechanics principles to photon occupancy in optical modes.
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Homework Statement



A cavity contains black body radiation at temperature T = 500 K. Consider an optical mode in the cavity with frequency ω=2.5x10^{13} Hz. Calculate

a) the probability of finding 0 photons in the mode
b) the probability of finding 1 photon in the mode
c) the mean number of photons in the mode.


Homework Equations



Possibly <n> = \frac{1}{exp(\frac{\hbar \omega}{k_{b} T})}

The Attempt at a Solution



Plugging the numbers into the equation above gives the answer to c (I think), which comes out to 1.855. However I thought that you could only have 0 or 1 photons in a given mode.

Not sure how to go about a) and b).
 
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Photons are bosons. Bosons do not follow Pauli's exclusion principle. Any number (from zero to infinity) of photons may occupy any given mode.
 
Ah ok, so the mean number of photons might still be ok.

How do I go about answering a and b?
 
Just out of curiosity: how can you get <n> > 1 if all the factors in the exponential are > 0 ?
 
You've just made me realize the equation should have a -1 on the bottom. Can't edit my original post for some reason.
 
Ok think I've got the relevant equation for a) and b) now.

For any future readers:

P(n) = \frac{1 - exp(-\frac{ħw}{kT})}{exp(\frac{nħw}{kT})}

where n is the number of photons in the mode.
 
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Flucky said:
Ok think I've got the relevant equation for a) and b) now.

For any future readers:

P(n) = \frac{1 - exp(-\frac{ħw}{kT})}{exp(-\frac{nħw}{kT})}

where n is the number of photons in the mode.


Note that in your expression P(n) → ∞ as n→∞. So, it can't be correct since a probability can't be greater than 1.

Maybe you need to switch the numerator and denominator.
 
Ooh thanks for pointing that out, I accidentally put a minus in there.
 

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