Steps to differentiate a geometric sum

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The discussion revolves around differentiating a geometric sum, specifically the formula for the sum of a geometric series. Participants are exploring how to apply differentiation to this context, particularly focusing on the series represented by the summation notation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants discuss the differentiation of the series directly versus differentiating the formula for the sum. Others question the correct interpretation of the summation notation and its implications for differentiation.

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The conversation includes various approaches to differentiating the geometric sum, with some participants providing insights on the conditions for differentiation of power series. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct setup and interpretation of the series, with no explicit consensus reached on the best method to proceed.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the differentiation of constants versus functions of x, as well as the implications of uniform convergence for power series. There is also mention of a specific formula that may differ from the original poster's understanding.

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Can someone guide me with the steps to differentiate a geometric sum, x?

[itex]^{n}_{i=0}[/itex][itex]\sum[/itex]x[STRIKE][itex]^{i}[/itex][/STRIKE]=[itex]\frac{1-x^{n+i}}{1-x}[/itex]

If I'm not wrong, the summation means:

[itex]= x^0 + x^1 + x^2 + x^3 + ... + n^i[/itex]

Problem is:
I have basic knowledge on differentiating a normal numbers but how do I apply differentiate on a geometric sum?
 
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Its been a while since I looked at these kinds of problems, so I checked out Paul's Online Calculus Notes, which is a good reference.

I would think that...

[itex]\frac {d}{dx} \sum_{n=0}^{i} x^{i} = \sum_{n=0}^{i} \frac {d}{dx} x^{i}[/itex].

From there, I would see the what the series actually looks like, then express the summation as a formula.
 
And I think that this is valid for the derivative of a Power Series.
 
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}(\sum a_n(x))= \sum \frac{da_n(x)}{dx}[/tex]

if and only if the initial sum is "uniformly convergent". All power series are uniformly convergent inside the radius of convergence.
 
Crystals said:
Can someone guide me with the steps to differentiate a geometric sum, x?

[itex]^{n}_{i=0}[/itex][itex]\sum[/itex]x[STRIKE][itex]^{i}[/itex][/STRIKE]=[itex]\frac{1-x^{n+i}}{1-x}[/itex]

If I'm not wrong, the summation means:

[itex]= x^0 + x^1 + x^2 + x^3 + ... + n^i[/itex]

Problem is:
I have basic knowledge on differentiating a normal numbers but how do I apply differentiate on a geometric sum?

You are wrong: it means
[tex]x^0 + x^1 + x^2 + \cdots + x^n = 1 + x + x^2 + \cdots + x^n.[/tex]
Note how the last term differs from yours. Also, this is equal to
[tex]\frac{1-x^{n+1}}{1-x}[/tex]
if ##x \neq 1##. You wrote something different, with an ##i## in it (but there is no "##i##" outside of the summation---that is, after you do the sum, the "##i##' no longer 'exists').

Anyway, your last sentence makes no sense: you cannot differentiate a normal number (unless you want to get 0 always), but you can differentiate functions of x, like your series.

There are two ways to proceed here: (1) differentiate the series directly; and (2) differentiate the formula you have obtained for the sum. In other words:
[tex](1) \;\text{derivative } = \frac{d}{dx} (1 + x + x^2 + \cdots + x^n) = 1 + 2x + 3x^2 + \cdots + n x^{n-1}\\<br /> (2)\; \text{derivative } = \frac{d}{dx} \frac{1-x^{n+1}}{1-x} = \cdots \cdots[/tex]
I will let you do the derivative here.
 
Thank you guys for your reply.

I did the (2) derivative by Ray Vickson and this is the draft solution I got.

Is this correct to say that the derivatives both sides of the geometric sum , with respect of x is:

[itex]\frac{d}{dx}[/itex][itex]\frac{1-x^{n+1}}{1-x}[/itex]
=[itex]\frac{x^{n}(n(x-1)-1)+1}{(x-1)(x-1)}[/itex]
=[itex]\frac{x^{n}(n(x-1)-1)+1}{(x-1)^2}[/itex] (simplified final answer)


I got confused with the question saying "derivatives both sides of the geometric sum". I thought I will need to do the derivatives for both LHS and RHS?
 
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