Subatomic Alternating Current: What Happens?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of electrons and electrical energy flow at the subatomic level when alternating current (AC) is applied. Participants explore the implications of AC on electron movement and the complexities of electrical conduction in materials, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electric current, whether alternating or direct, is fundamentally the flow of electrons.
  • One participant questions how electrons flow when the current direction changes rapidly in AC.
  • Another participant explains that while electrical energy travels quickly, electrons themselves move slowly, primarily oscillating back and forth without significant net movement.
  • It is noted that understanding electrical conduction at the atomic level is complex and often requires advanced quantum mechanics, with simplified models like the Drude model being commonly used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron movement in AC, with some emphasizing the oscillatory behavior of electrons while others highlight the complexities of electrical conduction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the full understanding of these phenomena.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that a comprehensive understanding of electrical conduction involves sophisticated concepts from solid state physics and quantum mechanics, which may not be fully addressed in simplified models.

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at the subatomic level, what happens when ac flows?
 
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Electrons are sub atomic.

As far as we know, electric current (AC or DC ) is the flow of electrons.

Do you have any other information?
 
vk6kro said:
Electrons are sub atomic.

As far as we know, electric current (AC or DC ) is the flow of electrons.

Do you have any other information?

no. but when the current is changing direction as quickly as it does in ac, how do electrons flow?
 
They don't. Although the electrical energy itself travels very quickly--some large fraction of the speed of light in most types of insulated wiring, nearly c in uninsulated wires, the electrons themselves travel very, very slowly. The speed at which they move is dependent primarly upon current and conductor cross section and is called the "drift velocity." In typical household loads and wiring, the drift velocity can be on the order of a few mm (yes, I mean millimeters) per second. In AC, they more or less just oscillate back and forth in place at the line frequency and don't really get anywhere at all.
 
Electrical conduction at the at atomic level in real materials is VERY tricky to understand and requires quite sophisticated quantum mechanics in order to get the full picture.
In most cases we use simplified models (such as the Drude model) which usually work quite well but there is no getting round the fact that you need to know a lot about solid state physics if you want to understand what is "really" going on.
 

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