Summing Waves Using Complex Notation

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The discussion focuses on the addition of two waves using complex notation, specifically Ψ=Ψ1+Ψ2, where Ψ1 and Ψ2 are expressed in terms of sine and cosine functions. The user rewrites Ψ1 with a phase shift and applies relevant equations to express both waves in complex form. They encounter difficulty simplifying the resulting expression, particularly with the imaginary components, and question the validity of manipulating the terms involving 'i'. A helpful response clarifies the mathematical approach, leading the user to resolve their confusion and successfully complete the problem. The interaction emphasizes collaborative problem-solving in complex wave addition.
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Homework Statement



Carry out the addition of two waves Ψ=Ψ12 where
Ψ1 = Asin[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t]
Ψ2 = Acos[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t]
by means of the complex-number representation and interpret the result.
(Hint: You may find it convenient to rewrite the sine as a cosine by introducing a phase shift in the argument.


Homework Equations



Re{e (iΘ) } = cos Θ = [e (iΘ) + e (-iΘ) ]/2
Im{e (iΘ) } = sin Θ = [e (iΘ) - e (-iΘ) ]/(2i)

The Attempt at a Solution



I rewrote Ψ1 using a Pi/2 as a phase shift. So I got

Ψ1 = Acos[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)]

Then I applied the above relevant equation for cosine being the real part of the complex equation to get
Ψ1 = A Re{e i[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)] }
Ψ2 = A Re{e i[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t] }

So summing yields:

Ψ12 = A Re{ei[(k+δk)x - (w+δw)t + (Pi/2)] + ei[(k-δk)x - (w-δw)t] }

Pulling out the like terms of eikx and e-iwt yields:

Ψ = A Re { [e i[δkx - δwt + Pi/2] + e-i[δkx - δwt] * ei(kx-wt) }

"Simplifiying" yields:

Ψ = A Re { [eiPi/2 * ei[δkx - δwt]+ e-i[δkx - δwt]] * ei(kx-wt) }

So we have

Ψ = A Re { [-e i[δkx - δwt] + e -i[δkx - δwt] ] * e i(kx-wt) }

Now I'm not sure what to do with the part in the bolded brackets. I could call it 2i Sin (δkx - δwt) which would be an imaginary part, so taking the real value of an imaginary part yields 0. Which would physically mean that my waves would destructively interfere, but I'm not sure that I can stick the 2i in like that. I wouldn't have a problem putting a 2 in, but I'm not sure if it's okay to multiply by i, or if I need to have the i already there.

Thanks for wading through all this algebra with me!
 
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Hi cpmiller! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)
cpmiller said:
Ψ = A Re { [-e^i[δkx - δwt] + e^-i[δkx - δwt] ] * e^i(kx-wt) }

Now I'm not sure what to do with the part in the bolded brackets. I could call it 2i Sin (δkx - δwt) which would be an imaginary part, so taking the real value of an imaginary part yields 0. …

No, Re {[iB] ei(kx-wt)} ≠ Re {[iB]} Re {ei(kx-wt)} :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi cpmiller! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)


Thanks for the response:smile: I went back and used your suggestion to try to make my original post a bit more "user friendly." Your answer helped a lot and I managed to figure the problem out this morning!
 
cpmiller said:
Thanks for the response:smile: I went back and used your suggestion to try to make my original post a bit more "user friendly." Your answer helped a lot and I managed to figure the problem out this morning!

ooh, that's neat! :-p

Please accept this present of a pi and an omega for future efforts: π ω :wink:
 
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