T.15.28 Find the volume of the region

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a region bounded above by the surface \( z=4-y^2 \) and below by the rectangle defined by \( R: 0 \leq x \leq 1 \) and \( 0 \leq y \leq 2 \). Participants explore the integration process involved in calculating this volume, including the limits of integration and the treatment of variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral setup for the volume calculation, expressing uncertainty about dropping the limits of integration in a specific step.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of not dropping the limits and questions how to normally integrate the expression \( \int_{0}^{1}(4-y^2) \, dx \).
  • There is a discussion on treating \( y \) as a constant when integrating with respect to \( x \), with participants clarifying how to handle constants during integration.
  • Participants explore the integration of \( \int (4-y^2) \, dx \) and discuss the correct evaluation of the integral with limits, leading to a refined understanding of the integration process.
  • One participant confirms the final volume calculation as \( \frac{16}{3} \) after going through the integration steps.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the final volume calculation, but there is some disagreement and confusion regarding the treatment of limits and constants during integration. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved regarding the initial steps of integration.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of how to properly handle the limits of integration and the treatment of variables as constants, which some participants express uncertainty about.

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$\tiny{t.15.28}$
$\text{Find the volume of the region bounded above by the surface }\\$
$\text{$z=4-y^2$
and below by the rectangle
$R: 0 \ge x \ge 1 \quad 0\ge y \ge 2$.}$

$\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I&=\iint \limits_{R}4-y^2 \, dA&(1)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{1}4-y^2 \, dxdy
=\int_{0}^{2}4-y^2 \, dy&(2)\\
&=\left[4y- \frac{y^3}{3} \right] \biggr|_0^2
=8-\frac{8}{3}=\frac{16}{3}&(3)
\end{align*}$

$\textit{ok I followed an example to do this

but didn't understand in (2) dropping the $_0^1$ limits}$
 
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karush said:
$\tiny{t.15.28}$
$\text{Find the volume of the region bounded above by the surface }\\$
$\text{$z=4-y^2$
and below by the rectangle
$R: 0 \ge x \ge 1 \quad 0\ge y \ge 2$.}$

$\begin{align*}\displaystyle
I&=\iint \limits_{R}4-y^2 \, dA&(1)\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{1}4-y^2 \, dxdy
=\int_{0}^{2}4-y^2 \, dy&(2)\\
&=\left[4y- \frac{y^3}{3} \right] \biggr|_0^2
=8-\frac{8}{3}=\frac{16}{3}&(3)
\end{align*}$

$\textit{ok I followed an example to do this

but didn't understand in (2) dropping the $_0^1$ limits}$

Hi karush,

Let's not just drop the 0 and 1 limits.
How would you normally integrate:
$$\int_{0}^{1}(4-y^2) \, dx$$
 
I like Serena said:
Hi karush,

Let's not just drop the 0 and 1 limits.
How would you normally integrate:
$$\int_{0}^{1}(4-y^2) \, dx$$

$$\begin{align*}\displaystyle
&=\int_{0}^{1}(4-y^2) \, dx\\
&=\left[4y- \frac{y^3}{3} \right] \biggr|_0^1
=4-\frac{1}{3}=\frac{11}{3}&(3)
\end{align*}$$

well I think it is
$\tiny{t.15.28}$
 
karush said:
$$\begin{align*}\displaystyle
&=\int_{0}^{1}(4-y^2) \, dx\\
&=\left[4y- \frac{y^3}{3} \right] \biggr|_0^1
=4-\frac{1}{3}=\frac{11}{3}&(3)
\end{align*}$$

well I think it is
$\tiny{t.15.28}$

But we're integrating with respect to $x$ aren't we?
And not with respect to $y$.
We should treat $y$ as a constant for this integration.
 
How would you integrate $\int 4\,dx$?
And $\int a\,dx$ where $a$ is an unknown constant?
 
karush said:
4x or ax

but these don't have limits

Good!
Then how about $\int y^2\,dx$ where we treat $y$ as a constant?
 
karush said:
$\frac{y^3x}{3}$

Nope.
We need to leave $y^2$ unchanged.
Compare with $\int a^2\,dx$ or $\int 2^2\,dx$ for that matter.
 
karush said:
so

$y^2x$

Exactly.
So how about $\int_0^1 (4-y^2)\,dx$ now?
 
karush said:
$4x-y^2x$

And with the limits?
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle \int_{1}^{0} (4x-y^2x) \, dx
= \left[2x^2-\frac{y^2x^2}{2}\right]_0^1
=2-\frac{y^2}{2}$

I meant $\int_{1}^{0} (4-y^2)\,dx$.
Isn't that what we were evaluating?
 
  • #11
$\displaystyle \int_{1}^{0} (4-y^2)\,dx
= \left[4x-y^2x
\right]_0^1
=4-y^2$

So then
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
A_z&=\iint \limits_{R}4-y^2 \, dA\\
&=\int_{0}^{2}\int_{0}^{1}4-y^2 \, dxdy\\
%&=\int_{0}^{2}4-y^2 \, dy\\
&=\int_{0}^{2} \left[4x-y^2x\right]_0^1 \, dy\\
&=\left[4y- \frac{y^3}{3} \right]_0^2
=8-\frac{8}{3}
=\color{red}{\frac{16}{3}}
\end{align*}

hopefully
 
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  • #12
Yep. All good.
 
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I'm in math heaven
 

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