Taylor 4.34 - Energy of a Pendulum

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to the energy of a pendulum, specifically focusing on the mechanical energy components, including kinetic and potential energy. The original poster presents equations and an attempt at a solution, indicating a potential error in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the total mechanical energy of the pendulum system and questions their mathematical steps in calculating the time derivative of the energy. They express uncertainty about their approach in part (b) of the problem.

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Participants are engaged in clarifying the problem and discussing the original poster's calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the approach, but the discussion is focused on examining the mathematical reasoning involved.

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The original poster sets the zero of potential energy at the equilibrium position and uses specific equations for kinetic and potential energy. They express concern about a possible mistake in their calculations, particularly in the time derivative of the mechanical energy.

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Edit: Can someone change the name of the thread somehow? I accidentally posted it without changing the name.

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Homework Statement



The question is quite long so here is a picture: http://gyazo.com/dc917d1885b6ffebb0a39e2409af4d61


Homework Equations



$$E=T+V$$
$$T=\frac{m\dot{x}^2}{2}$$
$$U_g=mgh$$
$$\Gamma=I\alpha$$

The Attempt at a Solution



If we set the zero of potential energy at origin (where the mass is at when the system is in equilibrium), then the change in gravitational potential is:
$$U(\phi)=mg(l-l\cos{\phi})=mgl(1-\cos{\phi})$$

Now that we're done with part (a), I move on to part (b), which is where I think I messed up.
The total mechanical energy of the system can be defined to be:
$$E(\phi, \dot{\phi})=T(\phi,\dot{\phi})+U(\phi)$$
Where the Kinetic energy (T) is:
$$T(\phi,\dot{\phi})=\frac{m\dot{\phi}l\sin{\phi}}{2}$$
and the potential, U, is:
$$U(\phi)=mgl(1-\cos{\phi})$$
Here is where I think I messed up mathematically; taking the time derivative of the mechanical energy, I get this:
$$\dot{E}=ml\left(\frac{\dot{\phi}\ddot{\phi}\cos{\phi}}{2}+g(\dot{\phi}\, \cos{\phi}+1)\right)$$

Did I go wrong somewhere?
 
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Radarithm said:
Edit: Can someone change the name of the thread somehow? I accidentally posted it without changing the name.
When we find a Mentor or such with that power --
What name do you want on this thread ?

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SammyS said:
When we find a Mentor or such with that power --
What name do you want on this thread ?

Taylor 4.34 - Energy of a Pendulum

Or something like that. Taylor doesn't name problems like K&K; I'm not very creative.
 
Radarithm said:
Taylor 4.34 - Energy of a Pendulum

Or something like that. Taylor doesn't name problems like K&K; I'm not very creative.
You can use the "Report" button to make such a request.

I'll do it for this thread.
 
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