Teaching at community college, opinions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences and considerations of teaching at community colleges, particularly from the perspective of someone nearing the completion of a Ph.D. in physics. Participants share insights on the nature of students, course levels, and personal motivations for choosing teaching over research positions.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in the pros and cons of teaching at community colleges, seeking insights from those with experience.
  • Another participant notes that experiences can vary significantly based on the level of courses taught, suggesting that advanced classes may attract more serious students.
  • A different viewpoint highlights that introductory courses may attract less motivated students, comparing them to high school students, which can be frustrating for instructors.
  • One contributor mentions that teaching at a community college typically requires only a Master's degree, indicating a potential pathway for those without a Ph.D.
  • A participant reflects on their decision to pursue teaching instead of a post-doc, citing a desire to avoid the pressures of research and grant competition.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of students in community colleges, with a request for advice on identifying colleges that attract more motivated students and offer serious coursework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the teaching experience at community colleges, with no consensus on the overall quality of students or the desirability of teaching positions compared to research roles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best pathways and experiences in community college teaching.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of what constitutes "serious" or "motivated" students, as well as the subjective nature of teaching experiences based on course levels and institutional differences.

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I am planning on finishing my Ph.D. in physics in 2009 and am thinking of going directly to teaching which means probably I will end up teaching at a 'community college'. I am interested in people that have done this or are doing it, the good and the bad sides of the job. Please send me PM if you wan't to share.
 
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I've never taught at a community college, but from some discussion with a few who have, I get the impression that the experience varies greatly with the courses you're teaching. If you're teaching one of the more advanced (for community college) classes, you may get more serious students, plus you might get students in summer courses from other universities who just want to get a leg up on their coursework. On the other hand, some of the more introductory courses get students with a similar mentality as high school students, and can be very frustrating.

I'm curious, if you're willing to share, why are you considering going directly into teaching instead of doing a post-doc first?
 
Teaching at a CC only requires a M.S as well.
Having taken a few courses at CC while in high school Moon is right.
You will have the people in HS 2.0 that don't care and you have the people that attend CC for financial reasons work their *** off to transfer.
 
Thanks for the input. It's consistent with what I gathered so far. I do research currenly and I decided that either I am Einstein and sacrifice my personal life doing hard core research or I will do something else compatible with physics PhD like teaching at college or finances or patents and live happily ever after. The middle option, being a mediocre researcher, which most of my professors are, competing for grants and measuring the value of my research with how many crappy papers I've published this year, is not my choice - such system would make me lose the joy or research.

I've heard getting a postdoc gets you to teach to better colleges? I somehow want to avoid that cause I feel quite ready to teach more advanced courses for undergrads. Can somebody tell me how exactly I figure out which college is more of introductory type and which one is for more serious students? What are the signs? I really wouldn't be happy teaching non-motivated students or subjects that are too watered down.
 

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