Temp/Pressure Relationship Open Parcel of Air

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The discussion revolves around the temperature and pressure relationship in an open parcel of air, particularly in the context of atmospheric conditions and how heating affects pressure, density, and volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of heating an open parcel of air, questioning whether pressure increases or remains constant. They discuss the relationship between temperature, density, and volume, and consider the behavior of air in both open and closed systems.

Discussion Status

Some participants express agreement with the book's explanation regarding the behavior of heated air, while others introduce additional considerations about the dynamics of pressure and movement in relation to surrounding air. Multiple interpretations of the effects of heating on pressure and density are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the behavior of air in both open and closed systems, and there is mention of a hot air balloon as a practical example. The discussion includes assumptions about the initial conditions of the air parcels being analyzed.

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I know that in a closed parcel of air, if we increase temperature then pressure rises and density remains constant

If we warm a parcel of air that is open i.e not enclosed, such as the atmosphere.
What happens to pressure? do we say it increases or decreases?

The book I have states; If the heated air is not contained, its molecules-given greater kinetic energy will move further apart and will expand and its density will decrease. The parcel of heated air will continue to expand until its pressure is equal to that of the surrounding air
 
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Hello ff, :welcome:

I agree with the book statement. If you expand it a little: before heating the pressure was also that of the surrounding air. So imho the pressure remains equal.

If you go into this further: the change in density and volume does mean that the force balance on the heated volume of air changes and as a consequence it may want to move upwards.
 
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Suppose you have a closed parcel of air in a cylinder with a massless frictionless piston above, and atmospheric air outside. What do you think will happen if you add heat to the parcel of air in the cylinder, in terms of its volume, its pressure, and its density?
 
Book answer is good. It's how a hot air balloon works. They are open at the bottom.
 

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