Temperature change in different containers

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The discussion revolves around a temperature change problem involving two containers, one made of aluminum and the other of plastic, each holding boiling water. The containers are covered and left in a room for a period of time, with participants analyzing the expected temperature graphs over time.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the temperature changes in the containers, questioning the validity of the provided answer options. Some suggest that the aluminum container should cool faster initially, while others express confusion over the implications of the graphs, particularly option 4, which suggests an increase in temperature for the plastic container.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their interpretations of the graphs and questioning the assumptions made in the problem. There is a recognition of potential ambiguity in the graph options, particularly regarding whether they start at the same temperature. Some participants have expressed a preference for option 3 based on their reasoning, while others are still seeking clarification on the teacher's provided answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the initial temperature of the water is 100°C and express skepticism about the possibility of the plastic container's temperature increasing beyond this point. There is also mention of a lack of clarity in the problem statement and the graphs, which may affect interpretations.

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Homework Statement


This is a question for 10 year old but I have a problem understanding why the answer is so.
(The student asked me this.)

There are two similar containers, X and Y, with 500 ml of boiling water. X is an aluminium container. Y is a plastic container. They are then covered with a sheet of glass and left in a room for 30 minutes.

The answer options are 4 graphs of temperature against time.

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The Attempt at a Solution


(I have taken a photo of the question in the worksheet but can't seem to upload the image here. It would be better to show the graphs, but since I can't upload it, I'm describing them here.)

Of the 4 options, I've eliminated 2 of them as they started X and Y at different temperatures.
In options 3 and 4, they start at the same temperature.
In option 3, the temperatures for X and Y gradually fall over time, with X at faster rate and ends at lower temperature than Y after a certain time.
In option 4, X and Y are straight lines from the same temperature. However, the temperature of X falls over time (negative gradient) and the temperature of Y increases over time (positive gradient).

My answer would be option 3 as heat would dissipate faster from the aluminium container. The final temperature of the water in both containers would be lower than the initial temperature.

However, the answer (given by the teacher apparently) is option 4. This means that after 30 minutes, the temperature of the water in the plastic container is higher than the initial temperature.
So the question is, why is this so? Help explain please?
 
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None of the options sound right. I would expect the aluminium container to cool faster initially, but both shoukd end up at ambient temperature.
If you have described the question and option 4 accurately, that is clearly nonsense. The initial temperature is 100C. How is it going to get hotter? Moreover, even the falling temperature should not be a straight line.
Please have another go at uploading the question and figures.
 
haruspex said:
None of the options sound right. I would expect the aluminium container to cool faster initially, but both shoukd end up at ambient temperature.
If you have described the question and option 4 accurately, that is clearly nonsense. The initial temperature is 100C. How is it going to get hotter? Moreover, even the falling temperature should not be a straight line.
Please have another go at uploading the question and figures.

Yes, that would be my understanding too but none of the options given fit that. The closest one would be option 3, where Y ends at a higher temperature than X, assuming that after 30 minutes, Y still has some way to go in order to reach the same temperature as X.

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xunxine said:
none of the options given fit that.
Seeing the gaphs, I think there is room for interpretation in option 1. It is not entirely clear that they start at different temperatures. You could read it as starting at the same temperature, but with X cooling very rapidly at the start. If so, that is definitely the right graph.
 
haruspex said:
Seeing the graphs, I think there is room for interpretation in option 1. It is not entirely clear that they start at different temperatures. You could read it as starting at the same temperature, but with X cooling very rapidly at the start. If so, that is definitely the right graph.

Oh I get your explanation there, thank you! But still it doesn't point to the answer given, which is option 4.

By the way, I asked the student again, and yes she confirmed that 4 is the answer. Told her to ask her teacher and then explain it to me.
Or any other possible explanations or mistake somewhere?
 

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