Temperature for "melting" vibrational degrees of freedom

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the temperature required for vibrational degrees of freedom to manifest in N-atomic molecules, referencing the equipartition theorem and thermodynamics. Participants explore the conditions under which these degrees of freedom become relevant, particularly focusing on the temperature thresholds for linear and non-linear molecules.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the specific temperature at which vibrational degrees of freedom appear in N-atomic molecules, expressing curiosity about the order of magnitude of this temperature.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what constitutes N-atomic molecules, leading to a brief exchange about the definition.
  • A later reply references that for diatomic molecules, the vibrational heat capacity reaches the classical limit at temperatures greater than (ħω/kB), suggesting that a similar analysis could apply to polyatomic molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific temperature values or thresholds for vibrational degrees of freedom, and multiple viewpoints regarding the definitions and implications remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not specify the assumptions underlying the temperature thresholds or the definitions of N-atomic molecules, leaving these aspects unresolved.

RingNebula57
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Hello everyone!
I recently read some information about the equipartition theorem and degrees of freedom in thermodinamics. I read that for the linear N-atomic and non-linear N-atomic molecules in order to allow the vibrational degrees of freedom to appear we need a really high temperature.
I was curious , because I didn't find the value, at about what temperature do those degrees of freedom appear , what is the order of magnitude of the temperature?

Thank you !
 
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What are N-atomic molecules?
 
CrazyNinja said:
What are N-atomic molecules?
Molecules with N atoms
 
RingNebula57 said:
Hello everyone!
I recently read some information about the equipartition theorem and degrees of freedom in thermodinamics. I read that for the linear N-atomic and non-linear N-atomic molecules in order to allow the vibrational degrees of freedom to appear we need a really high temperature.
I was curious , because I didn't find the value, at about what temperature do those degrees of freedom appear , what is the order of magnitude of the temperature?

Thank you !

For a diatomic molecule the vibrational heat capacity reaches the classical limit for tempratures larger than (ħω/kB) . See for example the first 3 pages of these lecture notes:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/...fall-2013/lecture-notes/MIT8_333F13_Lec20.pdf

It is possible to make similar analysis for poly-atomic molecules.
 
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