Tension: 2 wires one at 60degrees one at 45degrees

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To solve for the tension in a system with two wires at 60 and 45 degrees, both having a tension of 5N, one must find the resultant force from the upper wires, which the third wire must balance. The angles' reference points (vertical or horizontal) are crucial for accurate calculations, and ambiguity in the problem statement can lead to confusion. The third wire, described as a hanging weight, should ideally be vertical, but this conflicts with the given information. The correct approach involves using trigonometric components of the tensions to find the resultant force. Ultimately, the calculated tension for the third wire should be around 6.1N, considering the forces involved.
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How do you solve for tension, is there a general formula to use

for emample such as this problem(this is not homework, its an example i saw )

you have 2 wires one at 60degrees one at 45degrees both wires have a weight of 5N. find the weight of the third wire that's going down?

how does one approach such a problem

I tired doing this , this way, but i' am wrong since the right answer is 6.1N

1. ||a||5Ncos60=||b||5Ncos45
2. ||a||5sin60+||b||5sin45=c

I substituted equation one into 2 and i got 6.9N
 
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Your problem statement is a bit confusing. For example, the reference of the angles is ambiguous. Are the angles measured with respect to the vertical or horizontal?
 
Do you mean the wires have a tension of 5N?
 
horizontal
 
\*****/each wire here has 5N of tension
*\***/
60 \*/45degress
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***? what the weight here?
 
Your third wire cannot be vertical. All you need to do is find the resultant force from the upper two wires. The force from the third must balance that.
 
haruspex said:
Your third wire cannot be vertical.

But if we're talking wires, it pretty much has to be vertical. I think something is missing from the statement of the problem.
 
tms said:
But if we're talking wires, it pretty much has to be vertical. I think something is missing from the statement of the problem.
If we're talking hanging weights it has to be vertical, but then the provided information would be inconsistent. I'd say we're just talking tensions, so the wire can be any angle.
 
haruspex said:
If we're talking hanging weights it has to be vertical, but then the provided information would be inconsistent. I'd say we're just talking tensions, so the wire can be any angle.

But the third wire is just a hanging weight, according to the information given by the OP. I see what you mean, though, about assuming that the third wire is connected somewhere; the OP could have misunderstood the actual problem, or I could have read too much into the given information.
 
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tms said:
But the third wire is just a hanging weight, according to the information given by the OP. I see what you mean, though, about assuming that the third wire is connected somewhere; the OP could have misunderstood the actual problem, or I could have read too much into the given information.
All three were described as 'having a weight' (not, e.g., 'having a weight attached'). So I feel the most likely intended meaning is that each has a tension.
 
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haruspex said:
All three were described as 'having a weight' (not, e.g., 'having a weight attached'). So I feel the most likely intended meaning is that each has a tension.

You're probably right.
 
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