Tension in a Rope from Lowering Down and Friction Braking Torque at Stop

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum tension in a rope when a 10 kg mass is lowered at a constant speed of 1 m/s. The motor exerts a torque of 100 Nm to maintain this speed, while the dynamic braking torque of the electric brake is 150 Nm. The calculated tension in the rope is 150 N, derived from the equation F = Fbrk - Fmass, leading to a total force of 150 N. Participants express confusion about the tension remaining constant regardless of varying speeds, highlighting the assumption of inextensibility in the rope and scale. The conclusion emphasizes that while the calculations suggest a consistent tension, real-world conditions may differ due to material properties.
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Homework Statement
Tension of Rope from Lowering Down and Friction Braking Torque at Stopping (With Full Power Braking)
Relevant Equations
F = m.a
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(The weight scale = 10 kg).
After initial force, now the mass is lowering down at constant speed of 1 m/s.

The motor with pulley's radius of 1 meter is exerted 100 Newton m to keep constant V.
The motor speed is about 9.55 rpm.

* All other weights, inertia and frictions of the system is neglected

The dynamic friction / torque braking of Electric Mechanical disc brake at motor's shaft is 150 Nm.
If the motor sudden / abruptly stopping (full braking) that moving mass_by Emergency Stop Push Button,
what is the (max) Tension of the rope?

Is the rope's Tension the same if the dynamic friction / torque braking 200 Nm or 300 Nm?
 
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Don’t mean to be that guy, but usually you need to submit an attempted solution.
 
Alex Petrosyan said:
Don’t mean to be that guy, but usually you need to submit an attempted solution.
Well, I think the force tension is 150 N.
F = Fbrk - Fmass
F = 150 N - 100 N
F = 50 N

Then F total is,
Ftot = F + Fmass
Ftot = 50 + 100
Ftot = 150 N.
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But I wonder if the speed much slower, 0.1 m/s and if the speed higher 10 m/s,
by the equation above the tension of rope at braking is still the same = 150 N.
 
Herbid said:
Well, I think the force tension is 150 N.
F = Fbrk - Fmass
F = 150 N - 100 N
F = 50 N

Then F total is,
Ftot = F + Fmass
Ftot = 50 + 100
Ftot = 150 N.
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But I wonder if the speed much slower, 0.1 m/s and if the speed higher 10 m/s,
by the equation above the tension of rope at braking is still the same = 150 N.
I don't follow your calculation (what is F?), but 150N looks right.
The answer is counterintuitive because you have to assume both the rope and the spring inside the scale are inextensible, which cannot be true in practice. That is why it feels like the answer should depend on the speed.
 
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