The CT complex exponential is NOT periodic

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The discussion centers on the periodicity of the continuous-time (CT) complex exponential function of the form x(t) = C e^(at), where C and a are complex numbers. Participants explore the implications of the exponential representation and the conditions under which the function may or may not be periodic, drawing from concepts in signals and systems.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the CT complex exponential is not periodic due to the presence of the term e^(rt), which does not repeat for any T, thus failing the periodicity condition.
  • Another participant suggests that there is a misunderstanding of Euler's formula, implying that the original expression may contain errors.
  • Several participants reiterate the breakdown of the function into its components, noting that while the oscillatory part (cos(α + ωt) + j sin(α + ωt)) is periodic, the overall function is not because of the non-periodic term e^(rt).
  • There is a clarification regarding the representation of complex numbers, with participants discussing the forms |C| e^(jα) and r + jω, and how they relate to the periodicity of the function.
  • One participant acknowledges a misreading of symbols, which contributed to confusion, but ultimately agrees with the conclusion that the function is not periodic.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the sign of r, where a negative r leads to decay and a positive r leads to growth, indicating potential issues with the signal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the periodicity of the CT complex exponential. While some agree on the non-periodicity due to the e^(rt) term, others challenge the initial interpretations and calculations, leading to a contested discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the interpretation of the formulas and the application of Euler's formula. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and potential miscommunication about the mathematical representations involved.

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I'm taking a signals and systems class and the textbook (Signals and systems by Oppenheim) says the CT complex exponential of the form x(t) = C eat with C and a complex is a periodic signal. I fail to see how.

Let C = |C| e (exponential form of a complex number)
and a = r + jω (rectangular form)

Plugging into x(t) = C eat, and using euler's formula

x(t) = |C| ert * [cos(α+ωt) + j sin(α+ωt)]

What's inside the brackets is obviously periodic but the whole function is obviously not because of the ert term...

A function is periodic if there exists a T such as x(t) = x(t+T) for any t, and obviously there isn't any such T for the CT complex exponential...

Any clarifications?
 
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I can only suggest you revise Euler's formulae. You have one too many exponentials in your expression.

eiθ = cosθ + i sinθ

go well
 
fishingspree2 said:
I'm taking a signals and systems class and the textbook (Signals and systems by Oppenheim) says the CT complex exponential of the form x(t) = C eat with C and a complex is a periodic signal. I fail to see how.

Let C = |C| e (exponential form of a complex number)
and a = r + jω (rectangular form)
Are these formulas from the book? It does not make sense as
[itex]e^{ja}=e^{jr}e^{-ω}\;[/itex] according to the given formula.

Plugging into x(t) = C eat, and using euler's formula
x(t) = |C| ert * [cos(α+ωt) + j sin(α+ωt)]

What's inside the brackets is obviously periodic but the whole function is obviously not because of the ert term...

A function is periodic if there exists a T such as x(t) = x(t+T) for any t, and obviously there isn't any such T for the CT complex exponential...

Any clarifications?

If the formula is from the book, I don't see how. If it is not from the book, can you type out the exact formulas given by the book?
 
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Studiot said:
I can only suggest you revise Euler's formulae. You have one too many exponentials in your expression.

eiθ = cosθ + i sinθ

go well

yungman said:
If the formula is from the book, I don't see how. If it is not from the book, can you type out the exact formulas given by the book?

x(t) = C eat with C and a complex numbers

If C is a complex number, it can be written as |C| e where |C| is the magnitude of C (nothing fancy here, its just the exponential form of a complex number)

If a is a complex number, it can be written as r + jω (nothing fancy again, this is the rectangular form of a complex number)

Plugging back
x(t) = C eat
= |C| e * e(r+jω)t
= |C| e * ert * ejωt
= |C| ert *ej(α+ωt)
= |C| ert *[ cos(α+ωt) + j sin(α+ωt) ]

This is not periodic...
 
fishingspree2 said:
x(t) = C eat with C and a complex numbers

If C is a complex number, it can be written as |C| e where |C| is the magnitude of C (nothing fancy here, its just the exponential form of a complex number)

If a is a complex number, it can be written as r + jω (nothing fancy again, this is the rectangular form of a complex number)

Plugging back
x(t) = C eat
= |C| e * e(r+jω)t
= |C| e * ert * ejωt
= |C| ert *ej(α+ωt)
= |C| ert *[ cos(α+ωt) + j sin(α+ωt) ]

This is not periodic...

OK, I miss read [itex]\alpha[/itex] as "a". That's cause the confusion. It looks good to me!

[tex]x(t)=C e^{at}=|C|e^{j\alpha}e^{rt+j\omega t}=|C|e^{j\alpha}e^{rt}e^{j\omega t}=|C|e^{rt} e^{j(\alpha+\omega t)}[/tex]

[tex]e^{j(\alpha + \omega t)}=\cos (\alpha + \omega t) + j\sin(\alpha + \omega t)[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow \;x(t)=|C|e^{rt}[\cos (\alpha + \omega t) + j\sin(\alpha + \omega t) ][/tex]

If r is a negative number, the amplitude decrease with time and the signal decay.
If r is positive, then the signal grow with time and most likely you got a problem!
 
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