The Grassmanian manifold's topology

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The discussion centers on the topology of the Grassmannian manifold, specifically how it relates to projective space and the interpretation of neighborhoods within the Grassmannian. Participants explore various mathematical descriptions and conceptual frameworks, including coset representations and cell decompositions.

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  • One participant seeks to understand the topology of the Grassmannian manifold and its relation to projective space, expressing frustration with the available literature.
  • Another participant suggests that the Grassmannian is similar to projective space, describing neighborhoods in terms of nearby planes that can be obtained by slight adjustments to a given plane.
  • A different viewpoint presents the Grassmannian manifold as a coset of Lie groups, providing a mathematical formulation that relates to the rotation group and the invariance of k-planes.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Schubert cells, explaining how they form a cell decomposition of the Grassmannian and provide a CW complex structure.
  • One participant mentions Milnor's Characteristic Classes and Hatcher's work as useful references for understanding the Grassmannian topology.
  • A later reply offers a matrix-based perspective on visualizing neighborhoods of k-planes in n-dimensional space, suggesting a dimensional relationship between the Grassmannian and the underlying vector space.

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Participants express varying interpretations and approaches to understanding the topology of the Grassmannian manifold, with no consensus reached on a single perspective or method. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to conceptualize neighborhoods and the overall structure of the manifold.

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Some discussions involve assumptions about the nature of the Grassmannian and its relationship to projective spaces, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving properties from coset representations and cell decompositions. These aspects remain unresolved and depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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Let n <= m and G:=Gr(n,m) be the (real) Grassmanian manifold. I understand the topology of the simplest case, that of projective space, and am wondering if there is a way to interpret the topology of the G to similar to projective space, with the according generalizations needed.

If V^n is an element (vector subspace) of G, then how can I picture a neighborhood of it? The book I have is crap, has no proofs and the author (some Harvard guy) is basically writing for people who know this sh!t already, so in my opinion it defeats the purpose. But back to the question, can anyone help me out here in understand the topology of the Grassmanian, or point me to a good reasonable source where I can read this in?

Thanks in advance!
CM
 
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Yeah, it's exactly like projective space. It's a manifold, so one picture of a neighborhood is just R^n, but I don't think that's quite what you want. A point in the Grassmannian is a plane and a neighborhood of it is just all the "nearby" planes, so all the planes you get by tweaking the position of your original plane by a little bit.

There's some good stuff about Grassmannian manifolds in here:

http://www.math.cornell.edu/~hatcher/VBKT/VBpage.html

That's probably your best bet.

Baez has some really interesting stuff about projective spaces in his "This Week's Finds" blog. I was lazy, so you might have to track down more stuff to understand this well enough, but here's one example:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week184.html

Back when I was studying this stuff, I had a sort of vision for how all the puzzle pieces here should fit together, but I was never quite able to sit down and work it all out completely.
 
One can easily write down a Grassmannian manifold as a coset (of Lie groups). Generically, one has

$$G(k,n)= \frac{O(n)}{O(k) \times O(n-k)}.$$
You can obtain this as follows: the Grassmannian ##G(k,n)## is the set of ##k##-planes through the origin in ##n##-dimensional space. A given ##k##-plane can be rotated into any other ##k##-plane, so we start with the rotation group in ##n## dimensions and mod out by the rotations that leave a ##k##-plane invariant. The manifold obtained has a single point for each ##k##-plane. We must use ##O## groups rather than ##SO## groups because the ##k##-planes are un-oriented.

In the simplest case, you should be able to convince yourself that

$$G(1,n) = \frac{O(n)}{O(1) \times O(n-1)} = \frac{SO(n)}{\mathbb{Z}_2 \times SO(n-1)} = S^{n-1} / \mathbb{Z}_2 = \mathbb{RP}^{n-1}$$
for the projective spaces.

From the coset expression you should be able to compute things like homology groups.
 
A classic description is in terms of Shubert cells. Milnor's Characteristic Classes has a chapter.

Schubert cells form a cell decomposition of the Grassman manifolds. That is: they describe the Grassman as a CW complex, a space constructed from n cells with identifications along their boundaries.

Here is the Shubert cell description of the Grassman of 2 planes in 3 space.

The xy-plane projects to a single point. Call this point, P.

Now consider those planes that contain the x-axis.These project to a 1 cell whose end points are both glued to the point, P. (The planes containing the x-axis have 1 degree of freedom and are parameterized by the unit positive half circle in the yz-plane.) Thus they project to a closed loop with one point attached to the projection of the xy-plane. Call this loop, L

Now consider the planes that intersect the xy-plane in a line. These project to a 2 cell whose boundary circle is attached to the loop,L.

In summary, the Grassman of 2 planes in 3 space is homeomorphic to a CW complex that has one cell in dimensions 0 1 and 2.
 
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Milnor's Characteristic Classes has a chapter.

Hatcher covers that stuff, too, in the book that I linked to.
 
Thanks a lot guys, I especially appreciate the different responses/viewpoints. I'm going to give them all a try and see which fits my mental conception of the manifold best.

Thanks again!
CM
 
Think of your k plane in coordinate n space, and assume it projects isomorphically onto the 1st k coordinate axes (it does project onto some choice of k coordinate axes). then look which vectors of your k plane map onto the standard basis vectors. They form the k rows of a k byn matrix in echelon form. so the remaining entries, which determine the k plane are arbitrary entries in the residual k by (n-k) places at the right end of the matrix. to vary you k plane, just vary those entries, thus a nbhd of your k plane looks like k times (n-k) space. In particular the grassmannian of k planes in n space, has dimension k(n-k).
 

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