The inherent symmetry of time dilation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the interpretation of time dilation in the context of special relativity, particularly focusing on the claims made by observers in relative motion. Participants explore the implications of the "twin paradox" and the differences between scenarios involving constant relative velocity and those involving gravitational effects.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is universally accepted that both observers in constant relative motion can claim the other's clock is slower, referencing Mayer's interpretation.
  • Another participant asserts that both observers are indeed entitled to claim that the other's clock is moving slower, stating that the interpretation of special relativity is clear.
  • A participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the "space traveler" scenario, suggesting a need for further clarification.
  • One participant highlights the distinction between two travelers moving relative to each other and a scenario involving one traveler in a gravity well, noting that the twin paradox does not apply in the former case.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification and indicates a need for further reading and thought on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of time dilation and the implications of the twin paradox. While some agree on the entitlement of both observers to claim time dilation, the nuances of different scenarios remain contested.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in understanding the implications of constant relative velocity and gravitational effects on time dilation, as well as the complexities involved in comparing ages of observers in different frames of reference.

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Please pardon this very newbie question:

I am ploughing through Mayer's "The Many Directions of Time." He seems to assume right at the outset that Relativity is correctly interpreted as meaning that BOTH observers moving in constant velocity relative motion would be entitled to claim that the other observer's clock is slower than their own. Is this universally accepted? It's been a long time since I did a very basic course in Relativity (my background is philosophy) but I seem to recall thought experiments where a space traveller would age considerably slower than someone who stayed on earth? Perhaps the two cases have nothing to do with each other?

I accept that I am out of my depth here really; should my post be inappropriate for the site I hope administrators will remove it at once. On the other hand, if anyone has time to explain this to me, I would be very grateful
 
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Yes, both would be entitled to claim that the others clock is moving slower than their own. Also, there are no issues of interpretation in special relativity. Its meaning is crystal clear.
 
ok, thank you very much. I obviously must have misuderstood the "space traveller" case
 
There is an important difference between two travelers, each moving relative to the other, and the situation where one remains in a gravity well while the other moves away.

In the first situtation, if the two travelers are at any time together, to compare ages directly, with constant relative velocity, they will never be together again so the "twin paradox" does not arise. In the second, problems of forces and accelerations, which are NOT "relative" must be dealt with.
 
I see, I hadn't realized that constant relative velocity meant they would never be together again. I need to put a lot more thought and reading into this matter. Thank you both for helping me to clear up an initial doubt.
 
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