The total work in a Carnot cycle - checking some work

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total work done in a Carnot cycle involving isothermal and adiabatic processes. The initial work expression for the isothermal expansion is derived as W = (1/3)u(T)(V2-V1), where P is defined as u/3. The second leg of the cycle incorporates changes in internal energy, leading to an expression that combines work done and energy changes. The participants analyze the contributions from all four legs of the cycle, noting that certain terms cancel out, yet the final expression is expected to include a du term. The conversation emphasizes the need to verify the calculations and consider the efficiency of the Carnot engine to express work in terms of dT and U.
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Homework Statement


Let the radiant energy in a cylinder be carried through a Carnot cycle. The cycle consists of an isothermal expansion at temperature T, an infinitesimal adiabatic expansion where the temperature drops to T-dT, ad returning to the original state via an isothermal compression and adiabatic compression. What is the total work in the cycle? Assume P= u / 3 where u is a function of T only.


Homework Equations



To find the work in a Carnot cycle W= \int_{V_1}^{V_2} PdV, and a similar expression for points 2 to 3, 3 to 4 and 4 to 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


The expansion from V1 to V2 would therefore look like this:

P = u/3
so for the first leg of the cycle W = \int \frac{u}{3} dV and since the first leg is isothermal that would mean P is constant. So W=\frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)

for the second leg of the cycle we can work from the total energy of the system. U = u(T)V. And dU=u(T)dV + V\frac{du}{dT}dT. Since the change of energy is equal to the work done, we can say W = u(T)dV + V\frac{du}{dT}dT and if we add that to the first work expression and plug in the relevant values for V we have u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)\frac{du}{dT}dT+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1).


Since the cycle's third and fourth leg look the same as the first two (except with opposite signs and T-dT in the temperature) we can add up all four and we have:

-u(T)dV + (V_1-V_4)\frac{du}{dT}dT- \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_4-V_3) + u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)\frac{du}{dT}dT+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)..

The dT terms cancel out

-u(T)dV + (V_1-V_4)du- \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_4-V_3) + u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)du+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)..

and the u(T)dV terms seem to as well. But I wanted to check if I was going about this the right way. The answer we are supposed to get has a du in the nominator...
 
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Emspak said:

Homework Statement


Let the radiant energy in a cylinder be carried through a Carnot cycle. The cycle consists of an isothermal expansion at temperature T, an infinitesimal adiabatic expansion where the temperature drops to T-dT, ad returning to the original state via an isothermal compression and adiabatic compression. What is the total work in the cycle? Assume P= u / 3 where u is a function of T only.


Homework Equations



To find the work in a Carnot cycle W= \int_{V_1}^{V_2} PdV, and a similar expression for points 2 to 3, 3 to 4 and 4 to 1.

The Attempt at a Solution


The expansion from V1 to V2 would therefore look like this:

P = u/3
so for the first leg of the cycle W = \int \frac{u}{3} dV and since the first leg is isothermal that would mean P is constant. So W=\frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)

for the second leg of the cycle we can work from the total energy of the system. U = u(T)V. And dU=u(T)dV + V\frac{du}{dT}dT. Since the change of energy is equal to the work done, we can say W = u(T)dV + V\frac{du}{dT}dT and if we add that to the first work expression and plug in the relevant values for V we have u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)\frac{du}{dT}dT+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1).


Since the cycle's third and fourth leg look the same as the first two (except with opposite signs and T-dT in the temperature) we can add up all four and we have:

-u(T)dV + (V_1-V_4)\frac{du}{dT}dT- \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_4-V_3) + u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)\frac{du}{dT}dT+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)..

The dT terms cancel out

-u(T)dV + (V_1-V_4)du- \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_4-V_3) + u(T)dV + (V_3-V_2)du+ \frac{1}{3}u(T)(V_2-V_1)..

and the u(T)dV terms seem to as well. But I wanted to check if I was going about this the right way. The answer we are supposed to get has a du in the nominator...
Can you use the efficiency of the Carnot engine operating between T and T-dT to determine the work produced as a function of dT and U?

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