The z transform and first principles

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The discussion revolves around understanding the z-transform and its application in a specific homework problem. Participants are seeking clarification on the mathematical steps involved in deriving the last two lines of an equation related to convergence and the handling of a finite geometric series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the mathematical derivation in the homework problem, specifically the last two lines of an equation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the forum rules requiring a demonstration of attempted solutions before receiving help, suggesting that foundational knowledge is necessary.
  • A participant mentions that they understand the initial parts of the problem but are unclear about the convergence aspect, proposing a multiplication by z squared as a possible step.
  • A later reply critiques the original text for inconsistencies, pointing out that the inequalities do not match the summation and questioning the relevance of geometric series convergence to the result presented.
  • This critique suggests that the issues in the text may lead to confusion and recommends checking for an errata sheet or considering alternative texts for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the clarity of the original problem statement or the correctness of the mathematical steps involved. Multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of the text and the necessary steps for convergence remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are noted limitations in the original problem's presentation, including potential errors in the inequalities and the relationship between geometric series convergence and the problem's outcome. These issues contribute to the confusion expressed by participants.

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shown in the picture is the question and answer to it, but i don't understand how they're getting it.

this is me just not understanding the maths and i know its not difficult but I've been stuck on it for a while, so can someone explain in detail how you get the last two lines of the equation.
 

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Our rules say that you must show your attempt at solution before helpers are allowed to help. Just saying, "I don't get it." is not enough. Your textbooks and lectures must have given you some foundation needed for this problem.
 
They do show me how to get the first part, but not how to converge. I think the last line you multiple by denominator and numerator by z squared, but that’s all I got.

All I need is a quick explanation of how they are getting the last 2 lines of the equation, I understand the rest of it
 
This text looks... sloppy. Two glaring problems:

1) The inequalities at the top of the page don't match the summation -- i.e. the top specifically states that ##a_0 = 0 ## and ##a_{N-1} = 0##, so why are they included when moving from a formal infinite series to a finite one? I'm fairly confident that they meant to write ##0 \leq n \leq N-1## and didn't pay attention to strictness of inequalities.

2) Convergence of the geometric series really has nothing to do with the result at the bottom of the page. It's just telescoping a finite geometric sum -- a technique that is frequently taught in middle school or high school. The result holds whether or not you're in the radius of convergence for a geometric series.

That's a lot of issues for a very short extract. If there's an errata sheet, get it and include relevant sections with these posts. If there isn't an errata sheet, I'd get a different text or recognize that learning from this will leave you, at best, as confused as the authors.
 

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