Thermal Expansion of ethanol problem

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The discussion revolves around a thermal expansion problem involving ethanol and a glass graduated cylinder. The scenario includes pouring ethanol at a low temperature into a warmer cylinder, leading to considerations of volume changes due to thermal expansion and contraction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of volume loss due to thermal expansion, questioning the accuracy of the original poster's results and the methods used to derive them. There is an emphasis on clarifying the equations and assumptions involved in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the calculations and the final temperature of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the notation of temperature changes, but no consensus has been reached on the calculations or the final temperature.

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Participants are working with specific heat capacities and coefficients of volume expansion for both ethanol and glass, and there are indications of confusion regarding the final temperature and its impact on volume calculations.

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Homework Statement


1. You pour 108 cm3 of ethanol, at a temperature of - 10.0 C, into a graduated cylinder initially at 20.0 C, filling it to the very top. The cylinder is made of glass with a specific heat of 840 J/kgK and a coefficient of volume expansion of 1.2 × 10-5 K-1; its mass is 0.110 kg. The mass of the ethanol is 0.0873 kg. The specific heat capacity of ethanol is 2428 J/kgK and the coefficient of volume expansion of ethanol is 75 × 10-5 K-1.


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V_loss=V_fe-V_fg
=7.677*〖10〗^(-7) m^3
=7.7cm^3
This seems like a very small loss, does anyone know if it correct or not?
 
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What is the question? What equations did you use and what numbers did you put in them?

V_loss=V_fe-V_fg is not a very informative equation. How did you calculate the numbers that went in it?
 
yeah i know what you mean.
I just calculated the change in volume for glass (contracted) and then the change in volume for ethanol. From there i found the final volume (once in equilibrium). all using deltaV/V=beta*deltaT... the equation " V_loss=V_fe-V_fg" i figured out since the etanol was overflowing by the amount it was bigger than the volume of the glass??
 
You still don' show how you calculated the changes of each volume. What did you use for the final temperature of each mass and how did you find that? If you don't show us exactly what you did, we will not be able to figure out where you went wrong.
 
Final temp being -0.89 deg C

Total overflow = 108 x 75 x 10^-5 x (-10+0.89) + 108 x 1.2 x 10^-5 x (20 +0.89)
= 0.765 cm^2
 
The calculation is correct, however you should stick to convention and write

ΔT = Tfinal - Tinitial.

It is easier to see that way how ecah volume changes.
 
Ya Ezamoo i had the same thing 7.677*〖10〗^(-7) m^3 i had that as 7cm^3 my bad...
 
how do you find out the final temperature?
 

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