Thermodynaics, solving for minimum power to heat water

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum power required for an electric hot water heater that heats water from 15.8°C to 45.6°C at a specified flow rate. Participants are exploring the relationship between power and thermal energy in the context of thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the connection between temperature difference and heat energy, with some attempting to derive the power equation from known formulas. There is a focus on the correct application of density and unit conversions in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on relevant equations and conversions, while others express confusion about the correct density values and unit conversions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in density values and the importance of using consistent units, highlighting the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of assumptions in the calculations.

copitlory8
Messages
84
Reaction score
0
An electric hot water heater takes in cold water at 15.8°C and delivers hot water. The hot water has a constant temperature of 45.6°C, when the "hot" faucet is left open all the time and the volume flow rate is 5.0 multiplied by 10-6 m3/s. What is the minimum power rating of the hot water heater?

I really need help. I don't know how to connect Power and Thermal Energy. I know the individual formulas but can't connect the two. This is for WebAssign and is due within the hour. Please provide quick solution. Thank you very much.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
copitlory8 said:
An electric hot water heater takes in cold water at 15.8°C and delivers hot water. The hot water has a constant temperature of 45.6°C, when the "hot" faucet is left open all the time and the volume flow rate is 5.0 multiplied by 10-6 m3/s. What is the minimum power rating of the hot water heater?

I really need help. I don't know how to connect Power and Thermal Energy. I know the individual formulas but can't connect the two. This is for WebAssign and is due within the hour. Please provide quick solution. Thank you very much.

Ok well let's start simple, what equation connects a temperature difference and heat energy?
 
Power is just the rate at which energy is converted, remember that.
 
Q=cm(deltaT)
 
SiYuan said:
Power is just the rate at which energy is converted, remember that.


copitlory8 said:
Q=cm(deltaT)

And we know that mass = density*volume = ρV and then divide by time, what do we get?
 
wait I'm getting lost. sorry. so do i do Q=[cpv(deltaT)]/t
 
so for my answer it would be Power= 4186(1.94)(5E-6)(45.6-15.8) where c=4186 and the density of water is 1.94
 
is this correct?
 
oh no wait. i got the density wrong. i have no idea what the density is since the temperature is different
 
  • #10
copitlory8 said:
so for my answer it would be Power= 4186(1.94)(5E-6)(45.6-15.8) where c=4186 and the density of water is 1.94

The density of water is 1.94 for feet^3, while your question is in m^3
 
  • #11
0.591312 m^3?
 
  • #12
The average density of water should be 1g/ml, or 1g/cm^3,

whilst 1.94 is for lb/ft^3 if I recall right.
 
  • #13
yeah. 1.94 is ft^3

so in the equation i would actually plug in .001kg/m^3 since were using kg not g
 
  • #14
Your unit conversion is wrong, if you were to use m^3 you should get something else.
 
  • #15
Power= 4186(1000)(5E-6)(45.6-15.8)
so the conversion is 1000kg/m^3
is the above formula correct?
 
  • #16
It should be right, yes.
 
  • #17
thank you so much. i actually learned something for once.
 
  • #18
My pleasure, copitlory8
 
  • #19
would it be pushing it if i asked you another physics question?
 
  • #20
That'd be fine, as long as I can answer it.
 
  • #21
u are probably the smartest most helpful online free tutor. every website i go people give me crappy answers to try and seem smart but they never help.

anyways. here it goes.
From a hot reservoir at a temperature of T1, Carnot engine A takes an input heat of 5550 J, delivers 1500 J of work, and rejects heat to a cold reservoir that has a temperature of 495 K. This cold reservoir at 495 K also serves as the hot reservoir for engine B, which uses the rejected heat of the first engine as input heat. Engine B also delivers 1500 J of work, while rejecting heat to an even colder reservoir that has a temperature of T2. Find the temperatures

(a) T1 and
_______K
(b) T2.
_______K
 
  • #22
I'm sorry I can't help you for this.

Im also studying Physics at this moment and the Carnot engine is not in my field of studies. So I suppose your first line is wrong then :)
 
  • #23
okay that's fine. you were still helpful. and if you want to redeem urself here is a slightly easier one:
The drawing shows two thermally insulated tanks. drawing is located at:
http://www.webassign.net/CJ/14_26.gif
They are connected by a valve that is initially closed. Each tank contains neon gas at the pressure, temperature, and volume indicated in the drawing. When the valve is opened, the contents of the two tanks mix, and the pressure becomes constant throughout.

(a) What is the final temperature? Ignore any change in temperature of the tanks themselves.(Hint: The heat gained by the gas in one tank is equal to that lost by the other.)
________K
(b) What is the final pressure?
________Pa
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 66 ·
3
Replies
66
Views
5K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K