Thermodynamic Identity: Chemical Potential

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The discussion centers on the implications of the thermodynamic identity for chemical potential, specifically why the equations for chemical potential remain identical under different constant state variables. It is clarified that chemical potential, as a state variable, depends solely on the state of the system rather than the process taken to reach that state. The confusion arises from the derivative nature of the chemical potential, which does not represent a change but rather a state description. The consensus suggests that because the derivations assume quasistatic changes, they yield the same expression for chemical potential across different conditions. Understanding this concept is crucial for grasping the behavior of other state variables in thermodynamics.
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While I was able to work out the problem with the help of the hint, I couldn't completely understand the implication of said hint. The hint suggests that the equations for Chemical Potential in a process where ##U, V## are constant and in another where ##S,V## are both constant, are both identical. Why is this? Should we not expect that the Chemical Potential varies differently with different processes (that have different state variables held constant)?

Also, what does this imply about other state variables such as ##S, U, V##? Do we expect their equations to be the same under varying conditions as well?
 

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WWCY said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations



Thermodynamic Identity

The Attempt at a Solution


While I was able to work out the problem with the help of the hint, I couldn't completely understand the implication of said hint. The hint suggests that the equations for Chemical Potential in a process where ##U, V## are constant and in another where ##S,V## are both constant, are both identical. Why is this? Should we not expect that the Chemical Potential varies differently with different processes (that have different state variables held constant)?

Also, what does this imply about other state variables such as ##S, U, V##? Do we expect their equations to be the same under varying conditions as well?
Most thermo books have a derivation to show that all the various expressions for the chemical potential in terms of the thermodynamic functions are equivalent.
 
The answer is in the name: state variables can only depend on the state of the system, not on any process that resulted in that state.

I think you may be confused the fact that the chemical potential is obtained through a derivative. The equation you get for μ is not equation for a change of chemical potential.
 
Thanks for the responses.

Is it right to say that because we have already assumed that the changes were quasistatic by deriving ##\mu## from the thermodynamic identity, the changes are always governed by the same equation of state, and therefore both derivations lead to the same expression?
 
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