Thermodynamics cycle work question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a gas in a thermodynamic cycle, given specific pressures and volumes. The work is determined using the formula Work = 1/2 * (P1 - P2) * (V1 - V3), where V3 needs to be identified. The angular coefficient, m, of the line connecting points in the cycle is derived from the relationship between pressure and volume, leading to the equation P = mV. The participants clarify that since the line passes through the origin, the equation simplifies to P = mV, allowing for the calculation of V3 using the known pressures. Understanding these relationships is essential for solving the problem effectively.
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A mass of gas occupying volume V1 = 2 m3 at the pressure P1 = 4*10^5 Pa performs the cycle represented in the Figure that i have uploaded.What is the work of gas in this cycle, knowing that the pressure P2 = 10^5 Pa
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Work=1/2 * (P1 - P2) * (V1 - V3)

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The work is the area within the triangle.
1/2 base * height
= 1/2 * (P1 - P2) * (V1 - V3) The question that i have is how do i find V3?[/B]
 

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The cartesian equation of the line from the step ##3## to the step ##2## is ##P(V)=2\cdot 10^5 \cdot V## so ## V_{3}=0,5 m^3##.
 
Ssnow said:
The cartesian equation of the line from the step ##3## to the step ##2## is ##P(V)=2\cdot 10^5 \cdot V## so ## V_{3}=0,5 m^3##.
Can you please explain this to me?

For example how did you get 2*10^5?
 
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The number ##2\cdot 10^5## is the angular coefficient of the line from the process ##3## to ##2##. The line pass through the origin so the line has equation of the form ##P=m\cdot V## in order to find ##m## you can use the point ##(V_{1},P_{1})=(2,4\cdot 10^5)##, so ##4\cdot 10^5=m\cdot 2## and ##m=2\cdot 10^5##...
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Ssnow said:
The number ##2\cdot 10^5## is the angular coefficient of the line from the process ##3## to ##2##. The line pass through the origin so the line has equation of the form ##P=m\cdot V## in order to find ##m## you can use the point ##(V_{1},P_{1})=(2,4\cdot 10^5)##, so ##4\cdot 10^5=m\cdot 2## and ##m=2\cdot 10^5##...
Ssnow
What is m? Is this some kinda new thing like volume or pressure or not?
also now that i know m how do i find V3

and also i apologize for being obnoxious and wasting your time but... why is the line passing through the origin means that the equation is of the form P=m*V?
again sorry for so many questions but i am genuinly curios and really want to learn before school starts
 
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In a Cartesian plane, with coordinates ##x## and ##y## you can rapresent a line (a direct proportionality law between ##x## and ##y##) using the equation ##y=mx+q## where ##m## is called the angular coefficient and ##q## is the pont where the line intersect the ##y## axis. In your case instead ##y## and ##x## there are ##P## and ##V## so the equation of your line is ##P=mV+q##. Now ##q## must be ##0## because the line pass in the origin, so from ##0=m\cdot 0 + q## you find ##q=0##, and ##P=mV## . In order to find the line equation you must determine the coefficient ##m##. You will use the other point on the line so as I said in the previous post ##P=2\cdot 10^5\cdot V##. Now you have the general equation of the line and using the point ##(P_{2},V_{3})=(10^5,V_{3})## you can find ##V_{3}##...
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