Thermodynamics: internal energy change

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The discussion revolves around calculating the internal energy change (ΔU) during the dissociation of molecular hydrogen into atomic hydrogen, using the enthalpy of formation. The initial calculation suggests ΔU equals 216 kJ, derived from the equation ΔU = ΔH - Δ(PV). Participants clarify that the process occurs at constant pressure, leading to a consideration of volume changes and the relationship between ΔH and ΔU. There is confusion regarding the sign of ΔU, with some arguing that the system's potential energy should indicate a negative value, while others assert that energy is absorbed in the dissociation process. Ultimately, the consensus emphasizes that the internal energy change reflects the energy required to separate hydrogen atoms, reinforcing that ΔU should be positive.
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Homework Statement



Enthalpy of formation of a mole of atomic hydrogen = 218kJ. Enthalpy changes when a mole of atomic hydrogen is formed by dissociating half a mole of molecular hydrogen. Calculate ΔU of the process of molecular hydrogen dissociation.

Homework Equations



ΔH = ΔU + Δ(PV)
PV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



ΔU = ΔH - Δ(PV)
ΔU = ΔH - Δ(nRT)
ΔU = 218kJ - (1/2 mol)(8.31 J/Kmol)(298K)
ΔU = 216kJ

I really don't think my answer is correct.
 
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Dr. Science said:

Homework Statement



Enthalpy of formation of a mole of atomic hydrogen = 218kJ. Enthalpy changes when a mole of atomic hydrogen is formed by dissociating half a mole of molecular hydrogen. Calculate ΔU of the process of molecular hydrogen dissociation.

Homework Equations



ΔH = ΔU + Δ(PV)
PV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



ΔU = ΔH - Δ(PV)
ΔU = ΔH - Δ(nRT)
ΔU = 218kJ - (1/2 mol)(8.31 J/Kmol)(298K)
ΔU = 216kJ

I really don't think my answer is correct.
You will need to know the temperature at which the disassociation occurs. So I assume you are referring to the standard enthalpy of formation, which occurs T = 25C.

dU = dH - d(PV) = dH - PdV -VdP

If the process occurs at constant pressure (eg. at atmospheric pressure) the VdP term is zero. Alternatively, if it occurs at constant volume, the PdV term is zero. Let's assume that it occurs at constant pressure of one atmosphere (and temperature of 25C = 298K).

So:

dU = dH - PdV

Since there are double the number of molecules after disassociation, the volume must double, as you note. I think you should be able to take it from there.

AM
 
so then

ΔU = ΔH -P(dv)
ΔU = ΔH - ∫ nRT/V dv
ΔU = ΔH - nRT ln(vf/vi)
ΔU = 218kJ - 1 mol * 8.21 J/k Mol *298 K * ln2
ΔU = 216kJ ?
 
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right?
 
ΔH formation is +'ve

shouldn't my answer be negative since the system has less potential energy.
1/2 H2 -> H
 
Dr. Science said:
so then

ΔU = ΔH -P(dv)
ΔU = ΔH - ∫ nRT/V dv
ΔU = ΔH - nRT ln(vf/vi)
ΔU = 218kJ - 1 mol * 8.21 J/k Mol *298 K * ln2
ΔU = 216kJ ?
Since pressure is constant, ∫PdV = PΔV

AM
 
Dr. Science said:
ΔH formation is +'ve

shouldn't my answer be negative since the system has less potential energy.
1/2 H2 -> H
The system has greater potential energy since it takes energy to separate the hydrogen atoms. (In forming H2 from H atoms, heat would be given off).

AM
 
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