How Can You Design an Adiabatic and Reversible Thermodynamic System?

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To design an adiabatic and reversible thermodynamic system transitioning from state A to B and back to A, the system must adhere to specific thermodynamic principles. The discussion highlights the challenge of maintaining an adiabatic process while avoiding heat loss during the return journey, which complicates the design. Various attempts to create PV diagrams using isobaric and isochoric steps resulted in heat being expelled, contradicting the requirements. The conversation suggests that if the adiabatic process involves expansion, it may be possible to return to state A without heat loss. Ultimately, the feasibility of such a system hinges on the specific conditions and processes employed.
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Homework Statement


Design an explicit system which does the following: It goes adiabatically and reversibly from state A to B. Then it returns from state B to state A probably irreversibly and receiving some heat from the outside world on the way. It can't give out heat.

Homework Equations


PV^{\gamma}=c for an adiabatic process
PV=c for an isothermal process

The Attempt at a Solution


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I attempted to draw various 3 step PV diagrams using isobaric and isochoric steps but they all gave out heat. The only way I can think of doing this is if the adiabatic process is the same as an isothermal process i.e
PV^{\gamma}=PV
\gamma=1
C_p=C_v

But this can't be true for an ideal gas so I have no idea.
 
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decerto said:
I attempted to draw various 3 step PV diagrams using isobaric and isochoric steps but they all gave out heat.
Doesn't that depend on the direction of the process?
 
DrClaude said:
Doesn't that depend on the direction of the process?

Yes but amn't I forced into a direction that gives out heat after an adiabatic process then a process which takes in heat if I want to get back to the start?
 
decerto said:
Yes but amn't I forced into a direction that gives out heat after an adiabatic process then a process which takes in heat if I want to get back to the start?
I haven't worked out the details, but if your adiabatic process is an expansion, can't you go back to state A without any heat leaving the system?
 
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