Thevenin Potential Homework: Simplifying a BJT Amp Frequency Model

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The discussion centers on simplifying the frequency model of a BJT amplifier and understanding the Thevenin equivalent circuit. The user compares their calculations with the textbook's formula for the potential across a resistor, noting a small discrepancy of approximately 0.0016 V. They express confusion over the derivation of the term R1//R3 in the textbook's equation and explore different methods, including potential dividers and current analysis, to arrive at consistent results. After substituting specific resistor values, they confirm that both their calculations and the textbook yield the same output voltage of 0.2307 Vsig. The user expresses satisfaction after resolving their confusion regarding the calculations.
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Hey guys,

There is an example in the textbook regarding simplifying the frequency model of a BJT amplifier. It ends up determining the potential across the highlighted resistor I attached. The formula that the textbook is rather different than the one I determined to be the Thevenin, and hence I am looking for some sort of explanation. I plugged in some values to determine if they were equivalent, and they were close, but not exact. I believe there was approximatedly 0.0016 V difference for the particular values I had chosen. The textbook gives
V'_{sig}=V_{sig}\frac{R_3}{R_3+R_{1}}\frac{R_{4}}{R_{4}+R_2+(R_{1}//R_3)}

I do not understand how they ended up with R_1//R_3. I analyzed the circuit two different ways. I used potential dividers and I also determined the current passing through that leg. Each time my results were vastly different; however, they do give the same results upon evaluation.
 

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To get the textbook result, replace the source and R1 and R3 with the Thevenin equivalent, giving a source of Vsig.R3/(R1+R3) and having impedance R1 // R3

This Thevenin equivalent is then loaded by the series resistances R2 and R4.

If I nominate some values, e.g.,
R1=4
R2=2
R3=5
R4=3

That expression gives Vsig‘ = 0.2307 Vsig

I'll recheck.
 
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I checked using potential dividers with loading taken into account, the result with the above figures is also 0.2307
 
Finally! I was staring at that for a good hour attempting to determine how they got that. Thanks a bunch!
 

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