AC Circuit and Thevenin's theorem

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The discussion revolves around finding the Thevenin equivalent circuit for an AC circuit involving resistors and a capacitor. The original poster presents specific values for the components and asks for guidance on their calculations and the next steps in the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the Thevenin equivalent impedance and voltage, questioning the correctness of their initial results and the subsequent steps. Participants discuss the importance of considering both the magnitude and angle of the Thevenin voltage and the representation of impedance.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's calculations, indicating that the approach is generally sound but emphasizing the need for a complete representation of the Thevenin equivalent. There is an ongoing exploration of how to express the impedance and voltage correctly.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the real part of the impedance corresponds to resistance, while the imaginary part relates to reactance, which may involve further considerations regarding the type of reactive component needed.

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Homework Statement


I'm asked to find the thevenin equivalent circuit, the load being ##R_1##
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##e(t)=E_0\cos{(\omega t)}##
##R_1=1k\Omega \ R_2=R_3=1k\Omega##
##C=220nF \ f = 250Hz \ E_0=10V##

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##Z_{th} = Z_{R_2}//(Z_c+Z_{R_3}) = \frac{R_2R_3C\omega-jR_2}{(R_2+R_3)C\omega -j}##
As for ##E_{th}## :
##\overline{\rm E_{th}} = \frac{Z_c+Z_{R_3}}{Z_c+Z_{R_2}+Z_{R_3}}\overline{\rm e} = \frac{R_3-j\frac{1}{C\omega}}{R_2+R_3-j\frac{1}{C\omega}} \overline{\rm e}##
First of all, are the starter results correct?
Second, how should I proceed after this, replace the variables with their actual values then substitute ##\overline{\rm e}## with ##E_0e^{\omega t}##, develop and get the real part?
 

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archaic said:
First of all, are the starter results correct?
Looks good so far.
archaic said:
Second, how should I proceed after this, replace the variables with their actual values then substitute ##\overline{\rm e}## with ##E_0e^{\omega t}##, develop and get the real part?
Nah. The real part alone does not fully describe the network, so it would no longer be a Thevenin equivalent.

Find the magnitude and angle for your ##E_{th}## above and write it in the form ##E \cos(\omega t + \phi)##, and for ##Z_{th}## you might just leave it as an impedance in complex form, or, for extra points, show the impedance can be represented by the series connection of a resistor and one reactive component.
 
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gneill said:
Looks good so far.

Nah. The real part alone does not fully describe the network, so it would no longer be a Thevenin equivalent.

Find the magnitude and angle for your ##E_{th}## above and write it in the form ##E \cos(\omega t + \phi)##, and for ##Z_{th}## you might just leave it as an impedance in complex form, or, for extra points, show the impedance can be represented by the series connection of a resistor and one reactive component.
Won't the magnitude of ##Z_{th}## be equal to ##R_{th}##?
 
archaic said:
Won't the magnitude of ##Z_{th}## be equal to ##R_{th}##?
No. Impedance has real and imaginary parts. The real part corresponds to resistance, the imaginary part to reactance.

You can assign the real part to a resistor. The imaginary part you need to decide whether an inductor or a capacitor will fill the bill.
 
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