Things that can be observed in a snapshot view of the universe

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of taking a snapshot of the universe and being able to observe certain static properties such as mass, force, and position, but not being able to observe present velocity and other dynamic properties. This raises questions about where this extra information is stored and the fundamental difference between properties that can be measured in the snapshot and those that can't. The conversation also touches on the limitations of a snapshot in fully encoding the state of the universe due to the need for external specifications of velocities and other dynamic properties.
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Jehannum
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I'm interested in separating out things that can be observed by looking at a picture of the universe at a single moment in time, and things that can't
If we took a snapshot of the entire universe (or if we stopped time) but still had the power to move around and measure, we could observe static properties such as:

Mass
Force
Position

From the above, we would be able to infer acceleration. But we couldn't observe present velocity and therefore kinetic energy or momentum.

Therefore the state of the universe isn't fully encoded in its own three dimensions. Yet, if we were to restart the universe, objects would move at their previous velocity.

Where is this extra information "stored"?

What is the fundamental difference between properties that can be measured in the snapshot (e.g. mass) and those that can't (velocity)?

Is the answer simply "spacetime"?
 
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Hi,

Wrong starting point
Jehannum said:
From the above, we would be able to infer acceleration. But we couldn't observe present velocity and therefore kinetic energy or momentum.
The redsdhift would give us velocity. But taking a snapshot with time stopped is difficult 😉
 
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By “snapshot” do you mean a specification of the position of every particle in the universe? So that we have that information as well as the properties (charge, mass, ...) of each particle? And other things that we can measure by “moving around”, such as the current value of time-varying electromagnetic fields?

Jehannum said:
From the above, we would be able to infer acceleration.
We don’t have enough to infer accelerations because magnetic forces depend on velocities.

More generally, in classical physics a particle has six degrees of freedom: position in each of three dimensions and velocity (or momentum) in each of three dimensions. A “snapshot” as I’m understanding what you mean only captures three of them so we don’t have a complete specification of the system state.

Thus the “extra information” we need is the velocities, which are the first derivative of position with respect to time, and the instantaneous rate of change of the field values , which are also first derivatives of measurable quantities. That’s what cannot be found from a “snapshot”.
 
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Nugatory said:
By “snapshot” do you mean a specification of the position of every particle in the universe? So that we have that information as well as the properties (charge, mass, ...) of each particle? And other things that we can measure by “moving around”, such as the current value of time-varying electromagnetic fields?

Yes, this is essentially what I mean.

I'm trying to understand how/why it is that some things like position and mass are "encoded" in a static 3-D picture (which is in effect the universe itself) simply by dint of being there, but other properties (e.g. velocity) have to be specified externally.

I know this all seems a little vague - it's a half-formed idea that I need a bit of help crystallising: stepping back from assumptions and going to first principles. Thanks for the replies so far. They have been helpful.
 

1. What exactly can we observe in a snapshot view of the universe?

In a snapshot view of the universe, we can observe objects such as stars, planets, galaxies, and other celestial bodies. We can also observe various phenomena such as supernovas, black holes, and cosmic radiation. Additionally, we can observe the effects of gravity, light, and other fundamental forces on these objects.

2. How do we capture a snapshot of the universe?

We capture a snapshot of the universe by using telescopes, both on the ground and in space, that are equipped with various instruments such as cameras, spectrographs, and radio receivers. These instruments allow us to detect and record different types of electromagnetic radiation emitted by objects in the universe.

3. Can we observe the entire universe in a snapshot?

No, we cannot observe the entire universe in a snapshot. The observable universe is limited by the speed of light and the age of the universe. This means that we can only observe objects and phenomena within a certain distance from us, which is constantly expanding as the universe continues to expand.

4. How does a snapshot view of the universe help us understand the universe?

A snapshot view of the universe allows us to study and analyze the objects and phenomena within it, which helps us gain a better understanding of the universe as a whole. By observing the patterns and relationships between these objects, we can make theories and predictions about the origins, evolution, and future of the universe.

5. What are some challenges in observing the universe in a snapshot?

One of the main challenges in observing the universe in a snapshot is the vastness of space and the limitations of our technology. Many objects and phenomena in the universe are incredibly far away and emit very faint signals, making it difficult to detect and observe them. Additionally, factors such as light pollution and atmospheric interference can also hinder our ability to capture a clear snapshot of the universe.

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