Schools Thinking particle physics for grad school. Undergrad course questions

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The discussion centers on selecting advanced math electives relevant to pursuing high energy physics in graduate school. The individual is considering courses in Abstract Algebra, Algebraic Geometry, Lie Algebras, Differential Geometry, Manifold Theory, and Riemannian Geometry. It is noted that the choice between algebra and geometry courses depends on specific interests in physics; algebra is deemed more beneficial for particle physics, while geometry is advantageous for studying gravity. The availability of a Lie Groups course is mentioned as potentially useful, but only a Lie Algebras course is offered, raising concerns about its applicability. There is a consensus that while advanced math courses can provide some benefit, they may not be the most efficient use of time for preparing for particle physics. The individual expresses a desire to facilitate learning quantum field theory and leans towards taking the algebra sequence along with Differential Geometry due to a passion for multivariate calculus.
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Hi.

I am hoping to pursue high energy physics in graduate school. I have a few extra math electives I need to take for my math degree(majoring in math and physics). I was wondering if these classes would be of any real relevance

Abstract Algebra
Algebraic Geometry
Lie AlgebrasDifferential Geometry
Manifold Theory
Riemannian geometry

They are all grad courses, but I can take about 3 of them. The prereq for Manifolds is Diff Geo, and the prereq for Riemannian is Manifolds. The same reasoning goes for the algebra sequence. Basically I was thinking of either taking the algebra courses or the geometry ones. Would this be a good idea? I guess algebraic geometry is as it sounds also?

edit: Also, by the time I will be able to take any of these(spring semester next year), I will have taken graduate linear algebra and real analysis 2 at the undergrad level.
 
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If you are interested in particle physics, I will say the algebra courses are more helpful. If you are interested in gravity on the other hand, the geometry courses are more helpful.
 
Does your physics department have a graduate course on Lie Groups? It may be called Lie groups, or advanced mathematical methods, or something else but that will be the most useful.
 
Jorriss said:
Does your physics department have a graduate course on Lie Groups? It may be called Lie groups, or advanced mathematical methods, or something else but that will be the most useful.

I am afraid they do not. The only Lie-type course available is Lie Algebras in the math department, and it is a 700 level course(the highest level grad school courses here). I was thinking this could be overkill though for physics? Or would a full blown Lie Algebras and in general algebra sequence be very applicable?
 
Visceral said:
I am afraid they do not. The only Lie-type course available is Lie Algebras in the math department, and it is a 700 level course(the highest level grad school courses here). I was thinking this could be overkill though for physics? Or would a full blown Lie Algebras and in general algebra sequence be very applicable?
I am not a graduate student or a physicists so I can not comment on the utility of something so advanced but generally, graduate math courses are a ways away from what one actually does in physics. Will it help with physics? Yeah, maybe a bit. But is it the best way to spend ones time to prepare for particle physics? Probably not.
 
Jorriss said:
I am not a graduate student or a physicists so I can not comment on the utility of something so advanced but generally, graduate math courses are a ways away from what one actually does in physics. Will it help with physics? Yeah, maybe a bit. But is it the best way to spend ones time to prepare for particle physics? Probably not.

Yes I understand and agree. I just want to make learning quantum field theory as "easy" as I can. Thanks for the advice. I will probably go with the algebra sequence. I will still probably take differential geometry though, since I love multivariate calculus
 
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