Time interval terminology

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The discussion revolves around the terminology associated with the word "day," focusing on its ambiguous meanings, particularly the difference between the interval of a solar day (approximately 24 hours) and the variable interval between sunrise and sunset. Participants seek unambiguous terms to clearly differentiate these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using "daytime" or "daylight-time" to refer to the interval between sunrise and sunset.
  • Others suggest that the term "solar day" could be used to describe the 24-hour period, while noting that a sidereal day is about 23 hours and 56 minutes.
  • A participant questions the feasibility of defining the period of daylight due to the lack of a precise way to determine the transition between night and day.
  • There is mention of the term "twilight" to describe the transition periods of dawn and dusk, with subdivisions based on the position of the sun below the horizon.
  • Some participants highlight the influence of geographical factors, such as latitude and longitude, on the perception and definition of "day." They mention variations in daylight duration depending on location.
  • One participant reflects on historical ambiguities in language, suggesting that imprecision has been a common issue in human communication regarding time intervals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on how to define and differentiate the terms related to "day." There is no consensus on a single unambiguous term, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining terms due to varying interpretations based on context, geographical location, and historical usage. There are unresolved questions regarding the precise definitions and implications of the terms discussed.

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TL;DR
Exploring the ambiguous word "day " and a search for precise alternatives
The word "day" has at least two if not more common connotations:
1. The interval required for earth to make one rotation about its axis; i.e., ~24 hours.
2. The variable interval between sunrise and sunset.

I'm looking for unambiguous terms to differentiate the two such that one could say, "On 9 August, the [interval between sunrise and sunset] decreased to just under 14 hours.", or "In [six intervals of 24 hours], it will be Thursday, 15 August. ", where in each case the [phrase in brackets] would be replaced by one east-to-remember wotd.
 
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1940LaSalle said:
TL;DR Summary: Exploring the ambiguous word "day " and a search for precise alternatives
I would say:
"On 9 August, the daytime (or perhaps daylight-time) decreased to just under 14 hours." and "In six days, it will be Thursday, 15 August. "
 
1940LaSalle said:
TL;DR Summary: Exploring the ambiguous word "day " and a search for precise alternatives

The word "day" has at least two if not more common connotations:
1. The interval required for earth to make one rotation about its axis; i.e., ~24 hours.
2. The variable interval between sunrise and sunset.

I'm looking for unambiguous terms to differentiate the two
What have you found with your Google searching? What have you found for scientific definitions of the term length of day on Earth?

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1940LaSalle said:
I'm looking for unambiguous terms to differentiate the two ...
The reason why you need a precise term, will determine what the term is, and how you define that term.

Will the statements be made by people who know the difference between the synodic day and the sidereal day? Will they live in the tropics where there are two summers each calendar year, in temperate regions where the seasons are simpler, or in a dark polar region where this year, the last sunset will be in late November?

Latitude makes a difference, but so does longitude. Communications involves different time zones, while travel involves the date line. Each time you travel once around the Earth, do you age a day more or less than your twin who stays at home.

Naive humans could just use the word day, then let the historians argue. Human language has been imprecise in the past. The age of Methuselah when he died was 969 periods of time. Was that solar years, or lunar months making 75 solar years?

On average, over one year, the days are longer than the nights. That is because the Sun has a finite diameter, and the atmosphere refracts light over the horizon. Dusk and dawn happen faster, and more regularly, in the tropics.
 
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1940LaSalle said:
TL;DR Summary: Exploring the ambiguous word "day " and a search for precise alternatives

The word "day" has at least two if not more common connotations:
1. The interval required for earth to make one rotation about its axis; i.e., ~24 hours.
2. The variable interval between sunrise and sunset.

I'm looking for unambiguous terms to differentiate the two such that one could say, "On 9 August, the [interval between sunrise and sunset] decreased to just under 14 hours.", or "In [six intervals of 24 hours], it will be Thursday, 15 August. ", where in each case the [phrase in brackets] would be replaced by one east-to-remember wotd.
Well, one solar day is 86,400 seconds, while the daytime is the time between sunrise and sunset.
 
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1940LaSalle said:
TL;DR Summary: Exploring the ambiguous word "day " and a search for precise alternatives

1. The interval required for earth to make one rotation about its axis; i.e., ~24 hours.

The time to make one rotation is about 23 hours, 56 minutes. The so-called sidereal day. 24 hours is a solar day. I don't know of a single word for that.

The day describing the period of daylight, as in the phrase "now that summer is here the days are longer", is harder to define because there is no precise way to determine when the dark of night changes to the light of day, or vice-versa. I don't know of a single word for that, either.

Context usually makes it clear which one you mean.
 
Herman Trivilino said:
... 24 hours is a solar day. I don't know of a single word for that.
The astronomical term is "Synodic Day", because that Earth rotation is measured relative to the Sun, not (sidereal) the stars.

Herman Trivilino said:
The day describing the period of daylight, as in the phrase "now that summer is here the days are longer", is harder to define because there is no precise way to determine when the dark of night changes to the light of day, or vice-versa. I don't know of a single word for that, either.
The term for that period is "twilight", with the instants being "dusk" or "dawn".
Day and night refer to the sunlit and dark periods of the 24 hour daily cycle. Sunrise or sunset is when the upper limb of the Sun passes the horizon. In the morning and evening, there is a transition called twilight, which is subdivided into three parts, based on purpose, and on the depression below the horizon, of the upper limb of the Sun.
Day. >0°.
Sunrise or sunset. =0°. Colloquial dawn or dusk is at 0°.
Civil twilight. -0° to -6°. Civil dawn or dusk is at -6°.
Nautical twilight. -6° to -12°. Nautical dawn or dusk is at -12°.
Astronomical twilight. -12° to -18°. Astronomical dawn or dusk is at -18°.
Night. <-18°.
 
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