Time taken for a planet to collide with the Sun

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The discussion focuses on calculating the time it would take for a planet, suddenly stopped in its circular orbit, to fall into the Sun. Participants highlight that solving the problem requires either a complex differential equation or an application of Kepler's laws, which can be tricky for those unfamiliar with them. The conversation also explores the implications of leaving the planet with a small tangential velocity, noting that this would result in a flattened orbit and a closer approach to the Sun. Additionally, the importance of understanding the movement of the foci in elliptical orbits is emphasized. Overall, the thread provides insights into the complexities of orbital mechanics and the methods to approach such problems.
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TL;DR Summary: if a planet was suddenly stopped in its orbit, suppose to be circular, find how much time will it take in falling onto the sun(in terms of time period)

I know that T=2pi (r^3/GM)^1/2 and a=GM/x^2
how to proceed further
 
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Your approach won't work because the ##x=c_1+c_2t+\frac 12at^2## approach you are trying only works if ##a## is constant. You would need to solve the differential equation you started with. Deciding whether you are using ##x## or ##R## for the planet's position will help with that, but it produces a fairly nasty answer.

Are you familiar with Kepler's laws?
 
What would happen to the period of the orbit if you abruptly slowed, rather than stopped, the planet? And if you did it again but slowed it more? What is the limit of that if you stop the planet?
 
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Ibix said:
What would happen to the period of the orbit if you abruptly slowed, rather than stopped, the planet? And if you did it again but slowed it more? What is the limit of that if you stop the planet?
i am not sure about this. i know that t^2 is directly proportionl to the cube of semi major axis
 
someone_2156 said:
i am not sure about this. i know that t^2 is directly proportionl to the cube of semi major axis
There are two ways to solve the problem. The first involves solving a differential equation - which is quite hard. The second is a neat trick using Kepler's laws. It's not easy, however, to figure out the trick if you haven't seen it before.

Where did you get this problem and what level of physics are you studying?
 
PeroK said:
There are two ways to solve the problem. The first involves solving a differential equation - which is quite hard. The second is a neat trick using Kepler's laws. It's not easy, however, to figure out the trick if you haven't seen it before.

Where did you get this problem and what level of physics are you studying?
undergraduate/ secondary school and I got this problem from a question bank. Can you explain the second method?
 
someone_2156 said:
undergraduate/ secondary school and I got this problem from a question bank. Can you explain the second method?
What happens if, instead of stopping the planet, you leave the planet with a small tangential velocity? Imagine the star and planet are point masses.
 
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PeroK said:
What happens if, instead of stopping the planet, you leave the planet with a small tangential velocity? Imagine the star and planet are point masses.
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
 
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someone_2156 said:
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
Try to do some calculations using Kepler's laws.
 
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someone_2156 said:
the orbit would flatten more and the closest approach to the sun would be very near
The key thing to think about is where the foci of the ellipse move to. In the circular case, both foci are at the center. Where are they in the extremal case as the circle flattens more and more?

Hint: there's probably a tutorial on the web on how to draw an ellipse with string and a pair of pins.
 
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