Torque and angular momentum with ball shot into air

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving torque and angular momentum of a ball shot vertically upward. The ball's mass, initial speed, and distances from a point of reference are provided, and participants are exploring how to calculate angular momentum and torque at different points in the ball's trajectory.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for angular momentum and the need to determine the position vector and momentum. Questions arise about using velocity at specific points and the correct method to calculate the distance from the launch point to point P.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculations for maximum height and torque, while others are questioning the angle used in torque calculations. There appears to be a mix of interpretations and approaches being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants mention variations in initial conditions, such as different initial velocities and distances to point P, which may affect their calculations. There is also a discussion about the assumptions regarding the gravitational force and the angle in torque calculations.

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A 0.380 kg ball is shot directly upward with an initial speed of 38.5 m/s. What is its angular momentum about point P, at a horizontal distance of 1.85 m from the launch point, when the ball is at its max height? Halfway back to the ground? What is the torque on the ball about point P due to the gravitational force when the ball is at its max height? Halfway back to the ground?

Where should I begin?
 
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The angular momentum of a particle wrt to a point would be
[tex]l=r \times p[/tex].
So, what do you need to find first to find the angular momentum?
 
to find angular momentum when the object is halfway back to the ground, should i use the velocity at that point? and to find r, would i use the hypotenuse of the height of the object and the distance the object is from P?
 
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I have this exact same question on a problem due tonight. Only difference is my initial velocity is 41.0m/s and point P is 2.05m from the base of the launch point and the mass is 0.360kg.

I used kinematics to find the maximum height:
v^2 - v0^2 = 2*a*D
0 - 41^2 = 2 * (-9.8) * D
D = 85.7m

I'm solving the torque one first.

Torque = rxF = r * F * sin theta

F in this case, in the problem they are defining it as the gravitational force which would be mg = 0.360 * 9.8 = 3.52N

Now, we need to find r.

That would be pythagorean theorem...sqrt ( 2.05^2 + 85.7^2 ) = 85.789m..

So we have mg * r = 0.360 * 9.8 * 85.789 * sin theta

I keep getting the problem wrong because I think I am getting the wrong value of theta?

Theta is the tan inverse of (2.05 / 85.7), right?

Here's an image:
W0233A-N.jpg
 
I believe the angle should be tan^(-1)(y/x) so its your max height over your distance to point p
 

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