Total energy of a damped oscillator

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The discussion revolves around the total energy of a damped linear oscillator and how it can be expressed as a function of time. Participants explore the implications of damping on energy dissipation and the conditions under which the oscillator ceases to oscillate.

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of expressing total energy as a function of time, questioning the conditions under which the energy reaches zero and the implications of damping on oscillation duration. Some suggest examining the exponential decay of amplitude and energy, while others consider the role of time constants in determining practical cessation of oscillation.

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The discussion is active, with various perspectives on the behavior of energy in damped oscillators being explored. Some participants provide insights into the mathematical modeling of the system, while others emphasize the practical aspects of determining when oscillation effectively stops.

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There are differing views on the behavior of energy dissipation, particularly regarding the conditions under which the energy derivative may not always be negative. Participants also note the distinctions between under-damped, over-damped, and critically damped cases, which may affect the energy behavior.

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Is it possible to express the total energy of a damped linear oscillator as a function of time? I'm confused here. I'd like to find E(t). As the oscillation is damped, dE/dt should everywhere be negative (energy being dissipated as radiation or heat). By setting E(t) equal to zero, shouldn't I be able to solve for the time at which the energy of the oscillating system is zero, and thus the time at which the system stops oscillating? And shouldn't this time be finite?

Is there another way to find the time at which the damped oscillator will stop oscillating?

Thanks!
 
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Yes. The peak amplitude of the oscillation, that is, the envelope, decays exponentially. Since average or rms energy is related to the peak amplitude, it also decays exponentially. In theory it never exactly reaches zero so you can't say when the oscillator "stops." In practice you can say it stops when the amplitude is comparable to thermal noise or some other criterion. It is more common to specify the time constant, which is the time for the envelope to decay to 1/e of its initial amplitude.
 
Well... you can simlpy solve the differential equation for a damped oscillator, then use
[tex]E=\frac{1}{2}kx^2+\frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^2[/tex]
 
An ideal damped oscillator won't stop oscillating until infinite time has elapsed. However, practically the easiest way to find the time when the damped oscillator will top oscillating would be to determine the time constant, sqrt(m/k), and then multiply it by five because after five time constants the motion will be reduced to 1% (or something close to that) of its initial amplitude.
 
Signifier said:
As the oscillation is damped, dE/dt should everywhere be negative (energy being dissipated as radiation or heat).

The above posts are correct in saying the oscillation continues for ever, but dE/dt is not always negative.

Taking a mechanical damped oscillator for example, with equation of motion M x'' + C x' + K x = 0, the energy is dissipated by the the damper. The work is (force times velocity) = C x'^2. That is zero twice every cycle, when the velocity becomes zero.

If you evaluate E from tim_lou's equation you will get an exponential decay multiplied by a something looking like (A + B sin pt), which is a curve that "wobbles" around the "average" exponential decay in the energy.
 
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BTW, when you consider the different solutions for under-damped, over-damped or critically damped oscillation, you get different solution.

I think there won't be any wobbling in the over-damped or critically damped cases.
 

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