Total heat capacity of an monatomic gas?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total heat capacity of a monatomic gas in a light bulb scenario. Participants clarify that the total heat capacity should be understood as the heat required to raise the temperature by one degree, rather than simply summing Cv and Cp. The importance of using absolute temperatures in calculations is emphasized, with conversions from Celsius to Kelvin highlighted. There is also a caution against sloppy notation when expressing heat capacities, as it can lead to confusion. The conversation ultimately focuses on ensuring accurate calculations and proper understanding of thermodynamic principles.
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when working this out, is it just Cv + Cp? giving 4nR?

thanks
 
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Sorry - I wasnt really trying to find the answer to the question. It was more of a: if it says the total heat capacity, does it mean Cv + Cp or just Cp (because this is bigger).

However the question was:

a light bulb at 20 degrees is filled with a monatomic gas, as a pressure of 76e3 Pa. When the bulb is switched on the temp changed to 200 degrees.

a) what is the pressure of the gas at this temp.

I realized that i had to use pv = nrt, since the volume is fixed the pressure must also go up by a s.f. of 10.

b) if the volume of the bulb is 125cm^3, estimate the total heat capacity.

So I rearanged the ideal gas law and found there to be 2.4 moles. All I was unsure about was at the point, do I work out Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR and sum them?
 
coffeem said:
Sorry - I wasnt really trying to find the answer to the question. It was more of a: if it says the total heat capacity, does it mean Cv + Cp or just Cp (because this is bigger).

However the question was:

a light bulb at 20 degrees is filled with a monatomic gas, as a pressure of 76e3 Pa. When the bulb is switched on the temp changed to 200 degrees.

a) what is the pressure of the gas at this temp.

I realized that i had to use pv = nrt, since the volume is fixed the pressure must also go up by a s.f. of 10.
This isn't correct unless the temperatures were given in units of K or R, which is unlikely given the numbers involved.
b) if the volume of the bulb is 125cm^3, estimate the total heat capacity.

So I rearanged the ideal gas law and found there to be 2.4 moles. All I was unsure about was at the point, do I work out Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR and sum them?
No, the question is asking for how much heat the bulb must absorb to raise its temperature by 1 degree.

By the way, don't write "Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR" unless you really mean that Cv=5/2nR and Cp=R because that's what it means. I know a lot of students tend to do this, but it's really sloppy notation and often leads to mistakes.
 
vela said:
This isn't correct unless the temperatures were given in units of K or R, which is unlikely given the numbers involved.

No, the question is asking for how much heat the bulb must absorb to raise its temperature by 1 degree.

By the way, don't write "Cv = 3/2nR + Cp = 5/2nR" unless you really mean that Cv=5/2nR and Cp=R because that's what it means. I know a lot of students tend to do this, but it's really sloppy notation and often leads to mistakes.

Your corrct it was in degrees celcius.

Umm... how would I go about working that out then? thanks
 
Try taking a stab at it and posting your attempt here. You have the right idea for part a; you just have to use the absolute temperatures, i.e. convert them to K.
 
OK.

So I have converte the temps to K:

T1 = 293K
T2 = 473K

So T2/T1 = 1.61

So by my reasoning the pressure will now be: 12.3ee4Pa

However how do I go about doing the second part? thanks
 
Ok doing this more properly now. I get the pressure to be: 12.3ee4Pa

Which gives me 0.39moles.

So working out: Cv = 3/2nR = 4.86? is this correct?
 
No, because you didn't specify any units.
 
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