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Traffic violation (Canada)

  1. Jan 28, 2010 #1

    DaveC426913

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    I just got nipped for $100 for an illegal left turn. I am going to fight it.

    Does this kind of offense go against the driver's license or against the plate number?

    The officer made a mistake on the plate number. If it goes against the plate number, this offense will simply fall through the cracks.

    (That's not my defense, I'm just wondering if I need to bother buildng a defense.)
     
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  3. Jan 28, 2010 #2

    Evo

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    In the US it's the driver's license.

    What did you do?
     
  4. Jan 28, 2010 #3
    Yea what constitutes an illegal left turn?
     
  5. Jan 28, 2010 #4

    jtbell

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    Obviously, if you turn left in front of a sign that says "No Left Turn"...
     
  6. Jan 28, 2010 #5
    I got a ticket one time for an 'illegal right turn' (on a red light when no traffic was coming)---the sign was mixed in with a bunch of other signs on the far side of the intersection which was six lanes (two through and one turn) of traffic away, plus a large median that had diagonal parking in the middle area, plus the diagonal parking near the sidewalk (the sign was about 75 or 100 ft away from me.

    I think the sign was for 'newcomers' as a income source.
     
  7. Jan 28, 2010 #6

    DaveC426913

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    This is an intersection where police are trying to change the behaviour of drivers. It used to be two lanes for the left turn but has been reduced to one. Police are nabbing anyone who continues to turn left from the centre lane.

    Problem is, traffic is coming off an off-ramp. Traffic must cross two lanes to get in the correct lane before the intersection. There is only 500 feet to do so.

    Today, there is construction blocking the left lane just back from the interection, reducing the distance to 250 feet. The result is that it is physically impossible to get into the left lane until you are almost at the intersection.

    The officer saw me trying to squeeze in to the left lane at the last moment and assumed I'd raced up the centre lane to make the left turn. He likely did not know about the construction.
     
  8. Jan 28, 2010 #7
    fight it. I almost guarantee you the ticketing officer wont show up to the court case and it will be dropped. Most cops have better things to do than to make a ticket stand that they are forced to write.
     
  9. Jan 28, 2010 #8
    If you can, go back and take a picture of the intersection and the construction. Then fight it.
     
  10. Jan 28, 2010 #9
    They started paying overtime to the cops here for showing up in court:frown:
     
  11. Jan 28, 2010 #10

    DaveC426913

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    I've attached my diagram.

    My defense:

    I even have video!
     

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  12. Jan 28, 2010 #11

    cronxeh

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    "lol, Canada" was my first thought. I remember when I did 100+ in Jersey on I-95 going to PA. Got a good deal of tickets, plus the cop was spitting all over the place while he was yelling at me. Long story short, nobody cares about Jersey :biggrin:
     
  13. Jan 28, 2010 #12
    That looks really great. Go for it.
     
  14. Jan 28, 2010 #13
    Hmph whenever I'm downtown and need to change lanes in a situation like that I push myself into the lane... whoever wants to hit me go ahead. I would fight it though.
     
  15. Jan 28, 2010 #14
    It looks good Dave. I might make a more simple argument but the extra explanation keeps it from being too terse. You may want to avoid making statements of what you believe the officer was thinking as fact but rather summarize his explanation to you for why you received the ticket (assuming he gave one).
    Just my opinion. I am not aware of how they treat these things in Canada, so you likely know better than I.

    Not sure about Canada but like Edward said there are places where they pay officers to show up for court and they even assign court dates to certain days that the officer is supposed to be there for the particular purpose.

    Not sure if it works the same way there but here you can refute a ticket by mail and if the DAs office does not respond in a timely manner then the offense is automatically dropped.
     
  16. Jan 29, 2010 #15
    The only time it goes against the plate and not the driver is when it's a photo ticket.
     
  17. Jan 29, 2010 #16

    baywax

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    What city was this Dave? If there's a sign that says no left turn between such and such and such and such the cop will win. If the olympic motorcade was within a km you might be in jail without a trial for 10 years. But that's good news when you get out because then you can sue them. Next time have a luge or a bobsled with you and they'll give you money or better yet, a gold medal, for turning left!

    Oh yeah... it'll go against the driver license #. But if they're basing their license number on the wrong plate number they will be billing someone else.
     
  18. Jan 29, 2010 #17

    Pythagorean

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    Yeah, sounds like crappy traffic engineering. That's a solid defense in the US. What's even weirder from my US perspective are that the cops are trying to micro-manage the traffic engineering themselves (which they aren't qualified to do).
     
  19. Jan 29, 2010 #18

    DaveC426913

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    Toronto. And it is a perfectly legal left turn.

    In fact, left lane must turn left. See top of picture #2. There is a sign overhead that shows what each lane is supposed to do.
     
  20. Jan 29, 2010 #19
    You did make an illegal lane change though and the turn would be illegal because you switched lanes too close to an intersection. So I'm not sure exactly how it'll play out, hopefully they will understand the situation and it will work out in your favour.
     
  21. Jan 29, 2010 #20

    DaveC426913

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    That would be true if there weren't construction blocking most of the lane.

    Note, BTW, that the offense is not for illegal lane change; it is for an illegal left turn. They are exclusive. If I were making an illegal left turn, it would be because I was, in fact, in the centre lane. Which means I cannot have made any lane change.
     
  22. Jan 29, 2010 #21
    I understand that but since you made a lane change so close to an intersection in order to make a left hand turn it's an illegal turn I'm pretty sure, regardless of if you were in the left lane at the time of the turn or if you were turning from the centre lane itself.

    I understand your situation completely though and I'm confident that you will win your case :tongue: the construction going on in the GTA in general is horrible thanks to Canada's Economic Action Plan. In my area alone (Mississauga) the have built new traffic lights... in 2 different locations. Both locations they built 2 new sets of lights.

    Both locations now have 3 sets of lights within I'd say 100m... So that's on average one set of light ever 33m... rediculous. Directly in front of the comlex I live in has been ongoing construction for about 6 months now ripping apart the roads to replace various pipes, understandable... they have like 3 different operations going on on the same stretch of road however at the same time... The road is crazy.
     
  23. Jan 29, 2010 #22

    cronxeh

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    I dont know about Canada, but having a map with a few things written on it will not get you out of the ticket. Most courts will side with a cop. You gotta ask yourself.. is there a reciprocity for a violation from one country to another? For example a traffic ticket in Toronto will show up on your New York license, but wont show up in most other states. A ticket in Quebec it will show up in New York and Maine. You should look up this reciprocity for your own state from state DMV website.

    Besides, from the looks of it, you went around all this bumper-to-bumper traffic and merged into their line when you saw an opening? If you did that in front of me I would break your little clown car
     
  24. Jan 29, 2010 #23
    Who cares why exactly does that matter at all? As well I don't think you've driven downtown Toronto so I don't think your opinion really matters on daves actions.

    Anyways how ELSE are you supposed to merge... when there are cars in the way? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    OH BTW in Canada they are called Provinces, not states, thanks.
     
  25. Jan 29, 2010 #24

    cronxeh

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    You have an eyesight problem?
     
  26. Jan 29, 2010 #25

    DaveC426913

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    If I didn't want opinions I would not have posted in the first place...:rolleyes:
     
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