Train Collision Stopping distance Problem

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The problem involves two trains approaching each other on a straight track, with specific speeds and a defined distance apart when the brakes are applied. The trains decelerate at a constant rate, and the questions focus on whether a collision occurs and the necessary stopping distances and accelerations for each train.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to determine stopping distances and the required deceleration for each train to stop without colliding. There is a focus on interpreting the third part of the question regarding a single acceleration value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative approaches to the problem, suggesting different kinematic equations and emphasizing the need to consider the stopping distances of both trains together. There is ongoing exploration of how to derive a single deceleration value that satisfies the conditions of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of finding a common deceleration for both trains while ensuring that the total stopping distance does not exceed the initial separation of 938 m. There is mention of the need for clarity on variable definitions and conversions between units.

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Homework Statement



Two trains, one traveling at 74.00 km/h and the other at 148.00 km/h, are headed toward one another along a straight, level track. When they are 938 m apart, each engineer sees the other's train and applies the brakes. The brakes decelerate each train at the rate of 1.0 m/s2. Is there a collision? What distance do the trains need to allow between them to stop at this acceleration? What acceleration do the two trains need to have to stop exactly in a distance of 938 m?


Homework Equations



V^2 - Vo^2 = 2a(X-Xo) (this is what I used to solve parts 1 and 2)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I had no problem with the first two parts of the question. Using the above formula I determined that the first train needed 211.275m to stop, and the second needed 845.057m to stop. They needed a total distance of 1056.332m to stop, therefore there was a collision.

My question is how would I go about solving the third part of the question. The question calls for a single answer in m/s^2. Otherwise, I would've just divided the 938m by 2, and solved for two separate accelerations. I think I'm actually more stumped by the question than the calculations. If this makes sense to anyone, I'd really appreciate some guidance. Thank you in advance for you assistance.

SharkFin
 
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Use s=ut + 1/2 at^2 for each train and the 's' from both trains must add to 938m
 
For the last question, consider just one train at a time. If the train 1 traveling at 74kmph was 938m away from some point (call it A), what should its deceleration be so that it comes to rest at A. Similarly for the other train.
 
neutrino said:
For the last question, consider just one train at a time. If the train 1 traveling at 74kmph was 938m away from some point (call it A), what should its deceleration be so that it comes to rest at A. Similarly for the other train.

This won't work, for two reasons. (1) He is looking for a single number, not two numbers, and (2) the trains will crash.The two trains have some common breaking deceleration. Call this "a". Train 1 will come to a stop after traveling some distance d1, train 2 after some distance d2. You don't know what d1 and d2 are, but you do know what they are in terms of "a" and you do know their sum.
 
V^2 - Vo^2 = 2a(X-Xo) (this is what I used to solve parts 1 and 2)
Sharkfin. I have a very similar problem. Almost exactly but can not get your answers for x of each train's distance to stop to save my life. You converted km/h to m/s I'm pretty sure. What did u plug into each variable for that equation. a=-1.0, V=0?, Vo=74 km/h? (convert), X=?, Xo=?. Are u using X=938, Xo=unknown, V=0 (bc it stopped), Vo=20.56 m/s (after conversion), Having a hard time figuring out where the initial variables plug into the equation
 

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